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1939 Spange zum Eisernen Kreuzes 1er Klasse 1914 regulation question

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    As far as I can tell it is marked L19

    I recently obtained a 1939 Spange zum Eisernen Kreuzes 1er Klasse 1914 . My question is was it ever worn above a 1939 Eisernen Kreuzes or only above the WWI EK1?

    I also did a Google image search and could not find any examples of this being displayed with a 1939 EK1

    Opinions welcome
    Thank you

    Burt
    Last edited by milmuseum; 03-22-2016 at 03:08 PM. Reason: Pictures added
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    I believe it was only worn above the 1939 Eisernen Kreuzes as it was not instituted until 1939 and it signified that the wearer had earned the EK I during WW I as well.
    Of course, there will always be exceptions.
    Ralph.
    Searching for anything relating to, Anton Boos, 934 Stamm. Kp. Pz. Erz. Abt. 7, 3 Kompanie, Panzer-Regiment 2, 16th Panzer-Division (My father)

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    Hello Burt,
    Unfortunately, there was no maker for the LDO number L/19. I believe this is a copy.
    There is a very good EK I spange data base here.
    http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/databa...panges-571670/
    It does not contain all of the makers but certainly the majority. I have also checked another data base and did not find a match for this one. Please wait for other opinions though.
    Ralph.
    Searching for anything relating to, Anton Boos, 934 Stamm. Kp. Pz. Erz. Abt. 7, 3 Kompanie, Panzer-Regiment 2, 16th Panzer-Division (My father)

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    Ralph,
    After looking more closely it looks like it may be L11 Dummer? But the area around the shoulders (rear view) looks different than any of the others in that data base. The detail in the front is excellent but the eagles head looks different than any of the others also. Hmmm. If more pictures are needed please let me know.

    Thanks
    Burt
    Happiness is a belt fed weapon

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    I think I found it

    Spange to the EK1 - real or replica

    Appears to be an 80's French FLOCH fake possibly L21. I'll wait for another opinion but it sure looks like the one in the link. The seller guaranteed my money back if it is not good, I have dealt with him before so it won't be a problem to return it.
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    Hello Burt,
    I am pretty sure it is not a Floch.
    There is only one unknown maker that I am aware of that the shoulders do not both come back in towards the head. Here is my example, although with a spurious mark that was likely added post war.
    1939 Spange zum Eisernen Kreuzes 1er Klasse 1914, Unknown maker I
    If you compare the shape of the head from the reverse, you will see that they are not the same.
    Ralph.
    Searching for anything relating to, Anton Boos, 934 Stamm. Kp. Pz. Erz. Abt. 7, 3 Kompanie, Panzer-Regiment 2, 16th Panzer-Division (My father)

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    Ralph,
    That one is very similar but mine has spines in the wing detail and another thing I noticed is that the tail of the 9 is not flared like all the good examples. The pin looks like it may have been replaced or repaired at some time also. I guess I'll wait till I hear from some of the other members before passing judgment on this one.

    Thanks
    Burt
    Happiness is a belt fed weapon

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    Quote by rbminis View Post
    There is only one unknown maker that I am aware of that the shoulders do not both come back in towards the head.
    Just so you know, this is a very important feature.
    Ralph.
    Searching for anything relating to, Anton Boos, 934 Stamm. Kp. Pz. Erz. Abt. 7, 3 Kompanie, Panzer-Regiment 2, 16th Panzer-Division (My father)

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    It is a floch fake and FYI the list of spange makers is complete. The spange is never worn above a 1939 EKI only above the 1914 EKI as the spange respresents the award of the 1939 EKI because the awardee was already awarded an EKI in 1914. Jim
    My word is my honor and bond. Currently looking for an EKI second model screw back Juncker spange. Also, marked EKI screw back cases.

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