Eisernes Kreuz 1. Klasse mit Etui - unmarked Orth with Souval frame?

[Miro]

I was kindly asked to put the second cross to separate thread, so I am doing that. In the meantime I received info, that this cross can be unmarked Orth with Souval frame. Any opinions appreciated.

Miro

[Eisernes Kreuz 2]

Hí Miro
IMO unmarked Orth ,but the is magnetic or non magnetic
because because I've seen what they are non magnetic inner core /with brass/ and the all box was is in black color

[Miro]

Hi,

It has magnetic core. If you look closely, there are "veins" of rust under the paint. This effect can´t happen to brass core.
Yours is LDO marked in LDO case, mine is probably earlier.

Best, Miro

[Eisernes Kreuz 2]

I think that this the piece a Rudolf Souval
but with Orth on back catch
because we known was relationship between the two manufacturers
but this though a piece of Souval

[Miro]

Did Souval use Orth cores? I thought only Orth used Souval ones... But I can be wrong, of course.

[Eisernes Kreuz 2]

please send a picture only number if you can

[Miro]

Do you mean date? (There is no PKZ or LDO number, cross is unmarked).

Miro

[Eisernes Kreuz 2]

No, the years numbers /1939/ please

[Miro]

Ok, here is the date.

[Eisernes Kreuz 2]

full from front ,no ?
because this not total straight