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Eisernes Kreuz / Iron Cross - 1st Class (clasp pin)

Article about: i would venture to guess the brass,zinc cores were only used for the WW I issues,,,

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    Iron Cross - 1st Class - Clasp Pin - Good Condition - In Fitted Iron Cross Box - NO M.M.

    Pics below <item #132>

    Can anybody confirm what this is + authenticity + value?
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    item looks good,,,350-450,,,

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    What is with the strange 'brazing' marks, or whatever on the backs
    of these two crosses you've shown ? They appear repaired or unfinished !

    Looks like a mismatch of box and cross, as there are condition
    issues with the cross and none to hardly any wear/staining
    on the box, if it is indeed a good EKI set..........


    Let others have a good look at these crosses, both the two cased
    EKI's and two WMK's, and get a few more opinions.
    Last edited by Walkwolf; 06-09-2010 at 07:20 PM.
    Regards,


    Steve.

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    Cross is original , it 's an unmarked Klein & Quenzer , untouched for 70 years because that black patina but where stayed I don't know , strange back side look.
    Case seems ok but I 'm not so sure, pics don't let see any detail... it came not originally with that cross IMO.

    Edit : my thought was this patina as an old patina but I have many doubts after seen the other one..
    Last edited by fabri; 06-09-2010 at 04:23 PM.

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    This is a very strange one. I agree with Fabri about the front being a K&Q but I've never seen such unusual heat marks on the back. It looks like the frames have been apart and then been resealed.

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    It's hard to get clear pics of some of the details on these things but is there a good comprehensive guide out there to detecting fakes? I've seen a few but do you guys have a favorite guide that you could share with me?

    Does a magnet test help detect fakes?

    Thnx

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    Quote by kaypee80 View Post
    It's hard to get clear pics of some of the details on these things but is there a good comprehensive guide out there to detecting fakes? I've seen a few but do you guys have a favorite guide that you could share with me?

    Does a magnet test help detect fakes?

    Thnx
    The best guides you could possibly have are Adrian, Fabri , Danny et al !

    And they cost very little

    I have a few books at home but forums like this are priceless!

    Nick
    "In all my years as a soldier, I have never seen men fight so hard." - SS Obergruppenfuhrer Wilhelm Bittrich - Arnhem

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    Quote by kaypee80 View Post
    Does a magnet test help detect fakes?
    No. Early Iron Crosses had non-magnetic cores, i.e. brass, zinc, and so on. . .

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    hi Bill,,,does this include the 1813/1870 issues as well?...

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    Good question, for which I don't know the answer. . . Let me correspond with a more experienced Iron Cross collector who may know, and I shall report back. . .

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