My latest find

**Gwar** · 08-17-2013, 08:45 PM

Hey guys...My latest find.... And yes as promised I did and am a contributing member on this forum..Thanks to all of you for your insight and knowledge... Gwar
P.S. I almost forgot... Maker marked 20 on the ring and and magnetic as well...

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 08-17-2013 08:45 PM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**Adrian** · 08-17-2013, 10:35 PM

Marked '20'? Can you show a pic of the makers mark please?

**Danny70** · 08-18-2013, 01:05 PM

Oh dear...
It looks to me like the 'Stuttgart Fake' has reared it's ugly head again.
Never heard of a marked '20' before.

Sorry for the bad news. Can you return it?

Regards - Danny

**rory** · 08-18-2013, 01:15 PM

Oh has a very chrome like look to it

**Dean** · 08-18-2013, 01:18 PM

I can see the '20' on the suspension ring.

**Gwar** · 08-18-2013, 05:25 PM

I picked this up from a local dealer... I can ask to return it.....

**Adrian** · 08-18-2013, 05:49 PM

I would get your money back Gwar, Danny is correct in what he says.

**bigmacglenn** · 08-18-2013, 05:52 PM

Can anyone elaborate on the Stuttgart Fake, please? It's a first for many of us, I'm sure...
This is one of the more convincing fakes I've seen...
cheers, Glenn

**Gwar** · 08-18-2013, 06:02 PM

Yes I am also interested in the findings as well.... Thanks guys.... I must find some time to research more often before making purchases.....Gwar

**Danny70** · 08-18-2013, 07:02 PM

by bigmacglenn1966

Can anyone elaborate on the Stuttgart Fake, please? It's a first for many of us, I'm sure...
This is one of the more convincing fakes I've seen...
cheers, Glenn

Hello Glenn,

These are a recent fake (as in the last few years). As far as I am aware, they were first brought to attention by Daniel on WAF. He spotted some of them for sale at a market in Stuttgart and photographed them.
When they first appeared they had a 'hump' at the top of the frame very similar to the one seen on genuine Deschler crosses, but later versions have been found without this hump - like the one Gwar posted here. They also seem to have attempted to copy the distinctive cornices found on Souval crosses, but have not quite managed it. To me, I believe that their main giveaway is the very wide bead step combined with the Souval-esque corners.

They are appearing everywhere lately and many collectors have been fooled - as seen in the picture below, they are even appearing as battle damaged relics!!

Regards - Danny

Here's a previous thread discussing them:
https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/1939-...lection-22473/