Real or Fake German Eisernes Kreuz 1st Klasse.

**3volv3** · 03-19-2011, 01:00 PM

Today I bought my first WW2 german militaria, 2 x 1st class iron crosses (cost me about $428 for both). Im not an expert so would appreciate your opinion on these photos.. The dealer told me that he does returns if the items are fake.

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 03-19-2011 01:00 PM

We also buy and trade your items and full collections!

**3volv3** · 03-19-2011, 01:08 PM

Sorry for the photos being all over the place, but if you hold your mouse cursor over the photos you can see that the photos are named either B or L to differentiate between the two crosses. Thank you.

**Woolgar** · 03-19-2011, 01:49 PM

Hi Volv, I believe those marks and pins are fake, lets see what the boys say

Nick

**3volv3** · 03-19-2011, 01:59 PM

Thanks Stickgrenade, besides the pins anything else? Any comments would be appreciated!

**Bill Garvy** · 03-19-2011, 03:37 PM

They are, in my opinion, all reproductions. Not seen such manufacturer's stamps on Iron Crosses in 1st Class.

**fabri** · 03-19-2011, 05:45 PM

I 'm sorry, no chance, unfortunately they all are fakes ..

**3volv3** · 03-19-2011, 07:53 PM

Is there anything besides the numbering that give these away as fakes?

Thank you again to everyone that replied! I think that settles it, I will take these back to the shop where I bought them from. This was a good learning experience! :-)

**don_kihotis7** · 03-19-2011, 07:58 PM

Even though i'm not an expert, i must say that i have never seen such markings before either.
A friendly advice: post pictures here to get feedback from members before buying. This way you will save the hustle of returning, refund mpla mpla

**fabri** · 03-19-2011, 08:31 PM

by 3volv3

Is there anything besides the numbering that give these away as fakes?

In front side, date don't match with no one else used by the contemporary factories of EKIs, also the anchor hinge and the pin.
The rest (frame and catch) is similar with some known original crosses.

**3volv3** · 03-19-2011, 10:22 PM

Much appreciated! :-) I am planning on buying a EK2 and some other stuff next week which comes with papers, so I will take some photos first this time, thanx for all the help guys!!!