Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes

[jake25]

hi guys

could you please help me out on this one
im pretty shure its an S&L micro 800 but cant figure out what framework it is

hoping i finnaly found an A frame but not shure

please take a look at the lower 3 o clock arm , it has the flaw in it

also 6o clock sows a bit of damadge or is that also a die flaw


please only reply`s that make sence and are learnable
more pics please ask!

thanks all

[raz]

Hello Jake25, the B frame has the dent row on the lower 3 o'clock arm and the A frame has the die flaw on the outer 3 and 6 o'clock arms of the frame according to Dietrich Maerz book . Also there is a main identifying flaw on the knee area of the 9-12 o'clock arms on type A cross which I could not see on your cross . There also is a knee flaw on the 6-9 arm on every B type frame which I could not see on your cross either . I am no expert by any means but since no one has chimed in and I have a book showing what to look for --Hey maybe this will perk up the real experts . Raz

[jake25]

Hi my friend Thank you for replying Really appriciated ! That 9to 12 o clock flaw is there but verry faintly ! I Will post pics first thing tomorrow ! I Really need a copy of that book

[raz]

Your frame would be " B " frame with knee flaw on -- 6-9 arm --- with the dent row on the lower 3 o'clock arm per pictures supplied . Not on the 9-12 knee . Reread my first reply . Good straight on photos of the front and back are better than the tilted ones . Pictures of the dates also are good reference without the stand . Books are so cheap when dealing with a very costly item . Raz

[jake25]

Your frame would be " B " frame with knee flaw on -- 6-9 arm --- with the dent row on the lower 3 o'clock arm per pictures supplied . Not on the 9-12 knee . Reread my first reply . Good straight on photos of the front and back are better than the tilted ones . Pictures of the dates also are good reference without the stand . Books are so cheap when dealing with a very costly item . Raz

made some other snaps
flaws are there but verry faintly ! so i hope you can spot them , let me know i can run paint over it if needed ! i can zoom in verry close at my screen dont know if yours can do that to , pics are high resolution so it would be possible !

sorry btw for the late reply had an appointment in hartenstein !

[raz]

Compare these to your cross .Look at the 800 stamp - the 8 on the date - the 1 on 1939 - the dent row and so forth . Hope the pictures came out ok , they are pics of my book .

Hope this helps .

[jake25]

i see what you mean ! sorry for misunderstanding the first time ! english is not my native language ,

i tried everything to locate that flaw shown on page 106 witch is not on my cross !!!
so went on to page 118 ! and see what i find !!!!! sorry for low resolution ! its on both side`s !

the long 13 dents on the 3 o clock are not present as sharp as in your book ! there are some but not more then 8 and at the 1813 side of the cross !
1939 side doesnt show anything at that side !

at closer inspection of the horizontal/bottom 6oclock line of the 1813 side it starting to look more like a scratch then a flaw as the 1939 side is clean


see why this thing is getting me frustrated !
the 1 in 1939 is damaged , date`s look good to me !

[raz]

All 4 outside corners of your cross are ground or wore down with a heavy groove all the way out to the end . Check this pic. This is on the front 3 o'clock top arm . To be honest I don't think you have a good cross . Just my 2 cents . Would like to be corrected if I'm wrong . I hoped someone else with more expertise would offer some help on this . Are you in this for a ton of money ? Can you get your money back ?

[jake25]

That caracteristic feature is present at the back 3oclock arm

Also note the pic of your book were it shows the 1813 , check that lower right corner it is the same , No worrys man I was asking for opinions hate it or love it No worrys

[jake25]

Please check that images please im Shure it belongs to a 935-4 knightscross.