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Hurricane wreck with pilot recovery. Northern Russia

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    So no one wants to take a guess where this:



    stuff came from?

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    Quote by swiss76 View Post
    So no one wants to take a guess where this:



    stuff came from?
    Risky biz Swiss!The court adjourned hearing and the case it's closed!In my VERY PERSONAL OPINION
    we've got something that rubs shoulders with the famous picture of the Soviet soldiers lifting a flag on the Reichstag...upon developing the negatives the photographer realized that one of the soldiers was wearing watches on both wrists...a CLEAR sign of looting...and we've got another case here IMO!
    May this soldier rest in peace all the same....he's given his life and life's the maximum a man can give!
    Cheers
    Manny

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    The airman's remains are in a much better state of preservation than those of the aircraft...very similar to numerous "bog bodies" found in the UK and various parts of Europe.

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    Boris Aleksandrovich Lazarev buried in the cemetery of Chupa, Karelian Republic - Remembered in South Africa on 21st. February, 2011. The 68th. Anniversary of his untimely death at only 22 years of age.
    We must always ask, Why, why, why!!

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    I've taken a second look at the pictures;what is a "Notabwurf.." plate found inside the cockpits of Luftwaffe aircraft doing amongst the remains?And the German coins)And the Knives?Hope these things,including the jewelry hasn't been looted from the wreckage of a German aircraft downed by Lazerev or else that would be like a cold shower...a VERY cold shower!
    Don't want to p#ss on the parade by any means neither-less than less-playing the Devil's advocate but as I was touched by the small mushroom at the same time I couldn't help asking myself what several pieces of German-made stuff were doing there!The knives and the plate may have been souvenirs but the rest?I still want to stay with my first thoughts about the jewelry because I don't want to be unfair towards a fallen young man.
    As I'm writing I'm looking at the pictures I've saved and many details pop out....there are rounds of ammo that look like German 8x57 cartridges....could it be that there's more in that swamp?Can we say with 100% certainty that another plane,a German one,hasn' crashed there after Lazarev's?
    Cheers
    Manny
    Thats a great theory. but i suppose those who were there may have thought the same. but the "Notabwurf" (Emergancy jetison) may be from an aircraft he downed, as a souvenier. As with all the jewlery... it could be anything. present, loot, who knows, but the past is the past, and he can now rest in peace.

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    Quote by swiss76 View Post
    So no one wants to take a guess where this:



    stuff came from?
    A lot of Russian soldiers and airmen came from peasantry, many were poor. when the spoils of war arrived, they saw it gave them a chance to make some money for their family and themselves. wouldn't you grab loot if you come from a poor background, you've been taught to hate the enemy, and you think at the time " hes dead anyway", i know its not exactly the nicest thoughts, and many wish not to think like that, but that is the reality of life and im not saying this airman was one of them, but think if you were in that situation. And how is taking medals of dead soldiers any different? sure its not their personal item but its still part of them... R.I.P.

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    This is the first time I have read this thread and it is amazing. As to the items found with the young man I do not think that it really matters now it is easy to sit back safe in are homes and make assumptons and question as to were these items came from .We all need to remember that the world was a much different place then and the man is not here to explain his actions. So I think we need to give him the benifit of the doubt and put him to rest with dignity.
    Last edited by Mark K; 05-22-2011 at 05:41 AM.

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    Quote by Canuck63 View Post
    Absolutely amazing!Has anybody noticed the gold mushroom,the little pig and what looks like a necklace or another piece of women's jewelry?They sure must have belonged to his girlfriend or wife and given to him as a keepsake,or he may have bought and brought them with him when he had to scramble...not to return to his base anymore!Even these little details are extremely fascinating in that tell us that this pilot was but a young man with a life that was identical to everybody else's here...if it wasn't for the War!That's what has impressed me the most...I'd love to know more about that little gold mushroom...moving!He even had German coins in his pockets!
    Further...it's amazing how the papers have been preserved...and the fleece of his flying suit!There sure must be dozens of well preserved airmen,tank crews or even "common" soldiers out there,but I'd rather leave them undisturbed in their last resting place,just like it's done (or should be done) with the crews of sunken ships and subs!
    It's sad to see that his feet have been severed and that his face has been terribly smashed upon hitting the dashboard/sight ..that's what had happened to Adolf Galland when he first crashed..his facial bones were badly damaged and although he did heal his face bore the signs of that accident forever!
    May he rest in peace now!
    Great story
    Cheers
    Manny
    Quote by Canuck63 View Post
    I've taken a second look at the pictures;what is a "Notabwurf.." plate found inside the cockpits of Luftwaffe aircraft doing amongst the remains?And the German coins)And the Knives?Hope these things,including the jewelry hasn't been looted from the wreckage of a German aircraft downed by Lazerev or else that would be like a cold shower...a VERY cold shower!
    Don't want to p#ss on the parade by any means neither-less than less-playing the Devil's advocate but as I was touched by the small mushroom at the same time I couldn't help asking myself what several pieces of German-made stuff were doing there!The knives and the plate may have been souvenirs but the rest?I still want to stay with my first thoughts about the jewelry because I don't want to be unfair towards a fallen young man.
    As I'm writing I'm looking at the pictures I've saved and many details pop out....there are rounds of ammo that look like German 8x57 cartridges....could it be that there's more in that swamp?Can we say with 100% certainty that another plane,a German one,hasn' crashed there after Lazarev's?
    Cheers
    Manny
    Quote by ssnnss View Post
    Canuck63
    I have been thinking about what you said aabout the items found on the pilots body. is it possible that he got german coins and ammo incase of if he survives from a plane crash on a German controlled area he would say he is a volunteer joined to Germans and spying the Russians ? and maybe he would escape from an execution ? I wonder if they found some German documents with him
    Quote by Berthier92 View Post
    Thats a great theory. but i suppose those who were there may have thought the same. but the "Notabwurf" (Emergancy jetison) may be from an aircraft he downed, as a souvenier. As with all the jewlery... it could be anything. present, loot, who knows, but the past is the past, and he can now rest in peace.
    Quote by Berthier92 View Post
    A lot of Russian soldiers and airmen came from peasantry, many were poor. when the spoils of war arrived, they saw it gave them a chance to make some money for their family and themselves. wouldn't you grab loot if you come from a poor background, you've been taught to hate the enemy, and you think at the time " hes dead anyway", i know its not exactly the nicest thoughts, and many wish not to think like that, but that is the reality of life and im not saying this airman was one of them, but think if you were in that situation. And how is taking medals of dead soldiers any different? sure its not their personal item but its still part of them... R.I.P.
    Yep, they're theories all right.

    Quote by swiss76 View Post
    So no one wants to take a guess where this:



    stuff came from?
    I guess everyone missed the words: "Just a couple pictures from the other [as in, different] recoveries" in post #45... those trinkets and war booty did not come from the pilot that this thread is about. They came from what appear to be foot soldiers -the ones with the opportunity to loot dead Germans or plane crashes.

    RIP, Sergeant Boris Aleksandrovich Lazarev.
    Last edited by Mil Spec; 08-15-2011 at 04:46 AM.

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    Thanks for the post,amazeing how preserved he is,bogs with thier low oxegen ,high tannin contents perserve flesh well. It would be intreasting to see how the engine faired. There was a case in the mountains ,of Washington state where frozen remains were found a few years apart,from same crash.

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    Quote by swiss76 View Post
    I just thought about the pig - and wondered if it's sign of luck in other countries
    It is a lucky symbol in Germany, the "Glücksschwein".

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