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    "they are waiting for a specialised company from Europe to use ground-penetrating radar that will show the shape and depth of buried objects. "

    One radar? And what after?

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    For goodness sake. This guy is deluded and ignorant of the evidence before him. He needs sectioning........

    'The crated spitfire turned out to be a rubbish dump'. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!

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    THE END OF THE AFFAIR.....(?)

    This has just been released by the dig sponsors concerning the "Legend" that they sponsored the search for:

    Wargaming Presents
    The Lost Spitfires of Burma
    The anatomy of a legend

    at the RAF MUSEUM HENDON 19.30hrs -19 JUNE 2013

    It was a CSI Cold Case like no other.
    The missing person was a machine and a world icon- the Spitfire fighter.
    The crime scene was a battle-scarred airfield in the Far East.
    And the crime, if it took place at all, took place more than sixty five years ago.

    Wargaming, 15 April, 2013 - In January 2013 the World's media watched as a crack team of historians, archaeologists and geophysicists assembled by global game company Wargaming.net, set out to solve the mystery of the lost squadron of Spitfires which, according to aviation enthusiast David Cundall, were buried by Allied Forces at airfields in Burma at the end of the Second World War.
    The Wargaming team approached the project as a CSI style police procedural mystery, looking for alleged ‘missing persons’ – the Spitfires. To solve the mystery the team went in search of the Royal Air Force’s “Means”, “Motive” and “Opportunity” to bury the aircraft, following up clues in the military archives; examining geophysical data and testing it against historical photographs of the site; and pouring over the RAF shipping records and Operational Record Books.
    Recognising that this was a very human story they also read numerous witness statements, talked to surviving witnesses and in the ultimate test of their theories, visited the ‘crime scene’ at Yangon International Airport, in order to turn months of documentary research and the perceptions of witnesses into facts on the ground.
    As a result of this archive research and the ‘ground truthing’ by archaeology at Yangon Airport, the team are now confident that the legend of the buried Spitfires of Burma is just that: a captivating legend about a beautiful and iconic aircraft.
    As the world now knows, after weeks of specifically targeted surveys and excavations, no trace of crated Spitfires was found at Mingaladon. At Myitkyina, in northern Kachin State, the Burmese-led surveys also produced no trace of the Spitfires which were also alleged to have been buried there. This had the effect of independently confirming the conclusion of earlier documentary work carried out regarding the Myitkyina site by the Wargaming team.
    Wargaming’s research team now believes that these facts on the ground, endorse the conclusion of their documentary research which proves beyond reasonable doubt that no crated Spitfire aircraft were ever delivered to Mingaladon or Myitkyina, let alone buried in crates at either site.
    However, this disappointing conclusion turns out to have a silver lining. The missing Spitfires of Burma are the first and only such piece of World War Two folklore to have ever been investigated objectively and scientifically. This means that, although though there will not be a newly discovered squadron of vintage aircraft gracing the skies, the Wargaming team can demonstrate the fascinating genesis and evolution of a wartime legend, born in the mud and chaos of RAF Mingaladon in 1945 in a world which now lies at the fragile edge of living memory.

    The case of the Burma Spitfires goes to the very heart of how we remember this traumatic and endlessly fascinating period of our shared history; while the worldwide interest in the project has demonstrated how the Spitfire remains alive in the hearts and memories of all those who love the history of aviation and recognise its value. This is the case even though it is over two generations since the glory days of R J Mitchell’s masterpiece in the skies of every theatre of war between 1939 and 1945 and a number of conflict zones thereafter.
    Now for the first time the Wargaming research team are going to present the full findings of the investigation at Mingaladon in a special multimedia presentation at the Royal Air Force Museum Hendon on 19th June 2013 with the main presentation starting at 19.30hrs.
    The historians, archaeologists and scientists who actually carried out the research will take you on a journey which will place you behind the lens of a reconnaissance camera in 1945; at a desk at the UK National Archives as a crucial document which has never before been looked at comes to light and at the screen of a laptop on the sun beaten expanse of Yangon Airport as a lost road which is key to the story takes form out of the electronic background.
    The evening will be fully illustrated by slides and video of the expedition and will include the team’s suggestion as to how and why the legend of the Burma Spitfires came to be so widely believed by the public and the media.
    The evening will include opportunities to ask questions of the team and special arrangements will be made for members of the media who wish to undertake more extensive interviews.
    Wargaming Thanks the Royal Air Force Museum for enabling us to mount this event.
    A detailed Programme and final Ticketing Arrangements will be announced shortly so please do not contact the Royal Air Force Museum.
    To register an interest in attending please e-mail: frazer@wargaming.net and state which in which capacity you wish to attend,
    1. Media: stating which organisation or outlet you represent
    2. Professional Interest: stating which organisation you represent
    or
    3. Member of the Public.
    About Wargaming
    Wargaming is an award-winning online game developer and publisher and one of the leaders in the free-to-play MMO market. Founded as a privately held company in 1998, Wargaming has shipped more than 15 titles and employs over 1500 people across such key regions as North America, Europe, Russia, Asia, and Australia.
    Currently, Wargaming is focused on its team-based MMO war series dedicated to mid-20th century warfare that will include the company's flagship armoured MMO World of Tanks, launched in April 2011 and currently boasting 55 million players worldwide, the flight combat World of Warplanes, named one of the most anticipated MMOs, and the naval World of Warships, both scheduled for release in 2013.
    In June 2012, Wargaming announced the Wargaming.net Service, the epicentre of the online battle gaming universe that will gather the series under a single portal — Wargaming.net.

    So, that appears to be that. No news if David Cundall will be present at the meeting at Hendon in June, personally I somewhat doubt it. You've got to give it to the press office at wargaming.net though with their positive spin on turning "Bollocks" into "Legend".....
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    'I do not think we can hope for any better thing now.
    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

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    oooohhhh, i'm sad, David Cundall lost this search....

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    For all the knocking, it's nice to know that a company can come along and bankroll the whole thing.

    How many people out there have solid evidence of something but just can't raise the capital to investigate without bankrupting themselves or get governments even remotely interested in searching.

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    For all the knocking, it's nice to know that a company can come along and bankroll the whole thing.

    How many people out there have solid evidence of something but just can't raise the capital to investigate without bankrupting themselves or get governments even remotely interested in searching.
    Don't get no funny ideas Mac, this had nothing to do with altruism and everything to do with publicity.Wargaming.net got a lot of positive feedback and huge worldwide media advertising for an outlay that was pretty small compared to the interest in them and their product that would otherwise have cost 10 times as much.

    One only has to look at the fact that they're wringing the last few drops of publicity out of the whole debacle with the 'multimedia presentation' at Hendon next week. The facts are that the actual recovery aspect is pretty thin gruel, and the presentation will be seriously padded out with other aspects such as the role of photo recon Spitfires and other related subjects that have very little bearing on the actual purpose of the whole project, the recovery of alledged crated airframes in near perfect condition that were just waiting to be dug up.

    Fair play to wargaming.net on spotting a great marketing oppurtunity, but to say ' How many people out there have solid evidence of something but just can't raise the capital to investigate' is a step too far. There never was any 'solid evidence' whatsoever, and that is the real reason why no government was prepared to sponsor what was widely believed on the available evidence, or rather lack of, to be a wild goose chase, which is what it turned out to be.

    Don't forget that the British goverment made positive efforts to get the project a green light from the Burmese authorities, something in itself that was suprisingly successful considering that countries mistrust of western society as a whole.

    That all this occured on the flimsiest evidence possible, and the inept way that Mr.Cundall ran the whole project, is the truly suprising thing about the whole unedifying affair, but where there are losers, there have also been winners, as wargaming.net have demonstrated, and continue to with the 'multimedia presentation' next week, putting positive spin on an unmitigated failure in an Indiana Jones-esque way.....I admire them for that much at least.

    Regards, Ned.
    'I do not think we can hope for any better thing now.
    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

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