Need help with identification? Luftwaffe?

**mikel wallaart** · 10-29-2010, 11:45 AM

I just got these dug up items from a friend. Does anybody have an idea what this might be. I think they are parts of a Luftwaffe plane. Any ideas anybody?

**m3bobby** · 10-29-2010, 08:37 PM

These parts look like there from a WW2 German Mauser Cannon, do a search for Mauser Mk214 and you will see what I mean.

**mikel wallaart** · 10-30-2010, 06:32 PM

by m3bobby

These parts look like there from a WW2 German Mauser Cannon, do a search for Mauser Mk214 and you will see what I mean.

Thanks. You might be right. Hope somebody can confirm this

**GasMasksUK** · 10-30-2010, 07:14 PM

Those pieces don't really look like parts of airframe to me, the look a bit too heavy and bulky and are more likely parts of some kind of weapon. The piece towards the left hand side of the 6th picture looks like a feed tray to me, and the other parts speak for themselves

Thanks

Danny

**Steve T** · 10-31-2010, 10:13 PM

Weapon parts as M3 and Danny have pointed out. Definitely.

Cheers

Steve T

**mikel wallaart** · 11-02-2010, 12:27 AM

by Steve T

Weapon parts as M3 and Danny have pointed out. Definitely.

Cheers

Steve T

So these used to be mounted on a Messerschmit! What a cool find. How is it possible that a bunch of crippled iron can make somebody so excited haha!

**Matt L** · 11-10-2010, 04:42 PM

I can't find any matching parts in the, admittedly not wonderful, exploded view photo I have of the 2cm MG151/20, but since the sheet steel piece you have on the very right in this grouping looks like a feed tray, with a cutout that's the size of the ammunition in the centre, if you could measure it- both lengths and widths of the wide and narrow sections, perhaps that'll help...

**m3bobby** · 11-10-2010, 06:35 PM

Yeah, I couldnt match any parts to a specific cannon, it defo looks like a rotary cannon of some sort, and the only wartime manufacturer I know of would have been Mauser.

I just had a thought though. Perhaps its a Orlikon or Hispano dirivitive like

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/...G-1-493-16.jpg

I like the chances on this one, it has a flat feed try by the looks of it.
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/...G-1-493-18.jpg

**mikel wallaart** · 11-10-2010, 08:36 PM

I will do some more investigation and measuring in the next few days. Hope I can find some kind of marking anywhere. Thanks for all your help so far!

**Matt L** · 11-10-2010, 09:05 PM

A 2cm MG151/20 round measures about 25mm at the base and the case is about 65mm base to neck; the shell is of course about 2cm and the length from case neck to fuse is about 80mm. So if the opening in that feed tray would accept a round of those dimensions, that's a pretty good identification as I'm pretty sure no other weapon used similiarly-sized ammunition.

Oerlikon rounds' cases had no neck so would've only needed an opening a bit larger than 2cm overall- plus most were drum magazine fed, so I don't know if they'd have had a feed tray like this, which looks like one for a belt-fed weapon.