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Adolf Hitler's Coffee Cup

Article about: by Scout Quite the find. I agree and I am shocked to learn that these aren't worth more money to the collector community considering the amount of history behind these. William Kramer

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    Quote by Alan Goodyear View Post
    I have this coffee cup in my collection. It belonged to the Aunty of my grandmother, who lived up in Falkirk. She passed away in 2001 and my grandmother found the cup in one of her cupboards.

    The cup was given to me, along with a nazi party badge.

    With my grandmothers Aunty and her husband (Pvt William B Horne, Gordon Highlanders WWI) passed on, there is no way to find out how they managed to pick up these two items other than speculation.

    The two had a very big caravan, and spent some years travelling Europe after the war. It is my belief that somehow on a visit to the British sector of Berlin they managed to pick up the cup and badge.

    After having the cup in my collection not knowing really what it was or where it was from, a friend of mine sent me a link to a German military collectors site. On the site there was Reichbahn porcelain from the railway carriage of Herman Goerring. My cup had similar design features to that of the Goerring porcelain.

    After doing a little bit of research I managed to find out that the cup I owned was probably from Goerrings train too. But after digging deeper into the Deutsche Bahn website, I managed to track down the details and history of the carriage associated with the number on the bottom of my cup.

    To my suprise the cup belonged to the dining saloon car of the Fuhrersonderzug Erika, Hitlers private train.
    The number on the bottom of the cup is the abrieviation of code "10 242" which is the number of one of the dining cars of Hitler's train.

    After the war the railway car was used as a headquaters by Field Marschall Montgomery in the British Sector of Berlin. He made the railway car his command vehicle since most of the buildings in Berlin were flattened as a result of the heavy bombings.

    The carriage was returned to the Deutsch Bahn in the 1950's and still saw active use.

    Please see photos of the cup and see the link to the DB website.

    I am looking to sell the cup, but have no idea on the value. Considering the rarity of the item and the history associated with cup, it is very hard to put a figure on it.

    Hope you enjoy this story.

    Alan.

    Salonwagen der Deutschen Reichsbahn vor 1945: Sdr R 6ü-40, 10 245 Bln
    I sold one of these some time ago for 400.00 I think might have been slightly less.

    Hard to say now as market is so tough but its a start for you anyway.

    Best,

    Kris

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    Hi Jim,

    The little coffee cup sold at auction last September. But I still have the party badge. It's not a golden party badge, just a normal enamelled one. I think it's mark is 1/72 RZM but will have to double check the numbers for you. I will post a piccy of it up here soon.

    Best Regards.

    Alan

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    Your cup would go great with my 6 pieces of 242 silverware!

    Joe

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    id love to see all these items in a collectors museum,where you get paid to let the likes of me have a really good nose.

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    please look at suger bowls from hitlers train that i have recently accuired, they were liberated from carrage 242 by british serviceman in 1945, they are on you tube under ringfinder1962, treasure from goerings train.
    hope you find them interesting, the servicman did not know whether the two bowls came from goerings special train or hitlers, but if you watch my video you will see that with the markings alpaka 242, plus the capital letter b for bruckmann they can only have come from hitlers train which was called erika.
    please engoy and tell me anything you know about these items.
    the servicemans familly also have some glassware from same train, but dont think they will sell them.

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    Quote by Alan Goodyear View Post
    I have this coffee cup in my collection. It belonged to the Aunty of my grandmother, who lived up in Falkirk. She passed away in 2001 and my grandmother found the cup in one of her cupboards.

    The cup was given to me, along with a nazi party badge.

    With my grandmothers Aunty and her husband (Pvt William B Horne, Gordon Highlanders WWI) passed on, there is no way to find out how they managed to pick up these two items other than speculation.

    The two had a very big caravan, and spent some years travelling Europe after the war. It is my belief that somehow on a visit to the British sector of Berlin they managed to pick up the cup and badge.

    After having the cup in my collection not knowing really what it was or where it was from, a friend of mine sent me a link to a German military collectors site. On the site there was Reichbahn porcelain from the railway carriage of Herman Goerring. My cup had similar design features to that of the Goerring porcelain.

    After doing a little bit of research I managed to find out that the cup I owned was probably from Goerrings train too. But after digging deeper into the Deutsche Bahn website, I managed to track down the details and history of the carriage associated with the number on the bottom of my cup.

    To my suprise the cup belonged to the dining saloon car of the Fuhrersonderzug Erika, Hitlers private train.
    The number on the bottom of the cup is the abrieviation of code "10 242" which is the number of one of the dining cars of Hitler's train.

    After the war the railway car was used as a headquaters by Field Marschall Montgomery in the British Sector of Berlin. He made the railway car his command vehicle since most of the buildings in Berlin were flattened as a result of the heavy bombings.

    The carriage was returned to the Deutsch Bahn in the 1950's and still saw active use.

    Please see photos of the cup and see the link to the DB website.

    I am looking to sell the cup, but have no idea on the value. Considering the rarity of the item and the history associated with cup, it is very hard to put a figure on it.

    Hope you enjoy this story.

    Alan.

    Salonwagen der Deutschen Reichsbahn vor 1945: Sdr R 6ü-40, 10 245 Bln

    AMAZING. Great piece of History you got there. Thanks for sharing.

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    how muck did you get for that lovely coffee cup, great bit of history

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    Wow, very interesting read and good to see some very useful information being posted. Thanks for that.

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    I have a great saucer that would look lovely with that cup sitting on it! Really nice item, great stuff.

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    Quite the find.

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