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Finds in the GARBAGE!

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    Quote by WW2Hunter View Post
    The tank is a Panzer III but the turet is almost destroyed and the barrel is not visible, so it can be almost any type panzer III
    The plane might be a Junckers JU-188. The tail section is a good hint.
    Hope this helps,
    Steven
    Thanks for the response! I'm wondering if the Panzer III had it's turret blown off, or if it's an anti-air variant?

  2. #222

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    There were no AA Panzer III's, all AA type panzer were made from the Panzer IV chassis.

    Cheers,
    Steven

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    I'm pretty sure the aircraft is a Ju-88 G series heavy night fighter. The tail looks right as does the remains of the starboard engine. The camoflague appears to be dark grey on light grey which is correct for this type. here's an example with a similar type paint but different pattern.

    Regards, Ned.
    Click to enlarge the picture Click to enlarge the picture Ju88g-6-hyperscale.jpg  
    Last edited by big ned; 10-27-2011 at 03:59 PM. Reason: Don't know left from right...DOH!!
    'I do not think we can hope for any better thing now.
    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

  4. #224

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    It looks like Ned is correct to me. Nice new haul there, especially the photos.

    Mat

  5. #225

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    Quote by big ned View Post
    I'm pretty sure the aircraft is a Ju-88 G series heavy night fighter. The tail looks right as does the remains of the port engine. The camoflague appears to be dark grey on light grey which is correct for this type. here's an example with a similar type paint but different pattern.

    Regards, Ned.
    Hey Ned,
    that's also a possibillity but I don't know if we can be sure of either model, there is only one big difference between the Ju-88 G6 and the Ju-188 and that's the cocpit.
    But that's the part that is missing

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    Quote by WW2Hunter View Post
    There were no AA Panzer III's, all AA type panzer were made from the Panzer IV chassis.

    Cheers,
    Steven
    Steven is correct. The PzIV anti aircraft tank was called the 'Wiirblewind' (Whirlwind) and was four 20mm AA guns in an open topped turret fitted onto the IV chassis, it entered service in 1944.

    If you magnify the photo of the PzIII, you can see that the turret has turned about 120 degrees to the left. The gun, mantlet and side turret armour have been blown completely away leaving the gun mount showing. The commanders cupola is also still in position. Note that the emergency escape hatch below the 1st and 2nd track rollers is open. As this can only open from the inside, it indicates that at least some of the crew probably managed to bail out of the stricken tank.

    Regards, Ned.
    'I do not think we can hope for any better thing now.
    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

  7. #227

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    Quote by WW2Hunter View Post
    Hey Ned,
    that's also a possibillity but I don't know if we can be sure of either model, there is only one big difference between the Ju-88 G6 and the Ju-188 and that's the cocpit.
    But that's the part that is missing
    I know what you mean Steven, thats why I said 'G series' as there are around 7 or 8 different nightfigter variants and within the limits of Gizmo's pic, it's almost impossible to acurately pin down. Having said that, I'm convinced that the a/c is a nightfighter due to the type of camoflague applied to it.

    Regards, Ned.
    'I do not think we can hope for any better thing now.
    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

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    Nice photos, thanks for sharing. The Wiirblewind was one of many variants the Germans produced as the war went from bad to worse. The design and manufacturing process sped up with regards to the production and output of defensive weapons, whereas earlier in the war the concentration was focused more towards offensive weapons.

    Good work too Ned, well done!

    Regards,

    Carl

  9. #229

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    Quote by big ned View Post
    Steven is correct. The PzIV anti aircraft tank was called the 'Wiirblewind' (Whirlwind) and was four 20mm AA guns in an open topped turret fitted onto the IV chassis, it entered service in 1944.

    If you magnify the photo of the PzIII, you can see that the turret has turned about 120 degrees to the left. The gun, mantlet and side turret armour have been blown completely away leaving the gun mount showing. The commanders cupola is also still in position. Note that the emergency escape hatch below the 1st and 2nd track rollers is open. As this can only open from the inside, it indicates that at least some of the crew probably managed to bail out of the stricken tank.

    Regards, Ned.
    Awesome! Thanks for the detail!

  10. #230

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    Quote by big ned View Post
    within the limits of Gizmo's pic
    Is there anything I can do to improve this? Or are you talking about the quality of the photo itself that Pvt. Parks took nearly 70yrs ago?

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