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Imperial German Enlisted Pilot Uniform

Article about: by Chris L WOW!!! And named to a Bavarian (my other collecting interest). An amazing tunic with a history. So many of the German items I have seen have lost what history they had. I am alway

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    Looking at this sends a cold chill down my spine; I can only imagine seeing it in person. One can go an entire lifetime and never come close to ever obtaining something like this. You are indeed very fortunate Major to be the caretaker of such a documented significant piece.
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    Quote by hawk3370 View Post
    Beast,

    I am not up on the Imperial German enlisted unforms, however with that being said I may have spoken to quickly ref the shoulder straps. I looked at several pictures of Jagstaffles and it appears that some of the enlisted men are indeed wearing the gray shoulder strap with the red wing and prop. So it would appear that even the non aviator enlisted men wore the same shoulder strap as Kleinshred. I would assume that they also would wear the black piping around the collar as well since black was the designated color for aviation. I will continue to research this and if I find any more will get back with you.
    Thanks. Terry
    Terry, The 'Fliegertruppen' recieved the field grey uniform in 1913, it was piped in black to collar and cuffs, and scarlet to front and rear skirt. The shoulder straps were field grey (in varying shades) with light grey piping and red propeller device and if applicable, an arabic number of the unit (Abteilung).Worn by all enlisted men. Several types of formations were also identified by an oval badge worn on the upperleft arm, introduced in 1914 with red arabic or roman numerals to identify the following units,
    Arabic number. Number of the Field-Fleiger-Abteilung.
    Letter 'F' + Arabic letter. Number of Festungs-Flieger-
    Abteilung.
    Latin number. Number of a Kampgeschwader.
    Latin & Arab number. Number of Sqaudron (Staffel)(Arab)
    and Geschwader (Latin).
    Letter 'Fl P'. Armee-Flugparks.
    Letter 'V' and 'Fl P'. Versuchs- and Ubungsflugparks.

    Hope that helps.
    Last edited by oradour; 05-18-2010 at 10:57 PM.

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    Hey Terry, here is some info I found on your man.

    Hans Kleinschrod
    * 21. may 1895 Frickenhausen (a town in the district of Esslingen in Baden-Württemberg in Germany)

    16/08/1917 bayer. Flieger-Ersatz-Abteilung I Schleißheim (spare flyer dept. I in Scheissheim)
    15/08/1917 bayer. Flieger-Ersatz-Abteilung II Fürth (spare flyer dept. II)
    11/04/1918 Armee Flug Park C (Flight park C)
    29/05/1918 Jasta 64
    03/08/1918 Jasta 23b
    23/11/1918 entlassen (dismisses, discharged)

    10/07/1916 EK II
    24/08/1917 bayer. Militär-Verdienst-Kreuz 3. Klasse mit Krone und Schwertern (Military Distinguished Service Cross 3rd class with crown and swords)
    03/08/1918 Flugzeugführerabzeichen (Pilot Badge)

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    Quote by Croix de Guerre View Post
    Hey Terry, here is some info I found on your man.

    Hans Kleinschrod
    * 21. may 1895 Frickenhausen (a town in the district of Esslingen in Baden-Württemberg in Germany)

    16/08/1917 bayer. Flieger-Ersatz-Abteilung I Schleißheim (spare flyer dept. I in Scheissheim)
    15/08/1917 bayer. Flieger-Ersatz-Abteilung II Fürth (spare flyer dept. II)
    11/04/1918 Armee Flug Park C (Flight park C)
    29/05/1918 Jasta 64
    03/08/1918 Jasta 23b
    23/11/1918 entlassen (dismisses, discharged)

    10/07/1916 EK II
    24/08/1917 bayer. Militär-Verdienst-Kreuz 3. Klasse mit Krone und Schwertern (Military Distinguished Service Cross 3rd class with crown and swords)
    03/08/1918 Flugzeugführerabzeichen (Pilot Badge)
    Jagdstaffel 23 scored its first victory on 14 February 1917, suffered its first casualty on 3 May 1917 and was designated a Bavarian Jasta on 17 July 1917.


    Formed: 25 October 1916
    Mobilized: 1 January 1917
    Aces: 11
    Victories: 54 Airplanes
    12 Balloons
    Losses: 14 Killed in Action
    1 Killed in Flying Accident
    9 Wounded in Action
    2 Prisoners of War

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    Quote by Croix de Guerre View Post
    Jagdstaffel 23 scored its first victory on 14 February 1917, suffered its first casualty on 3 May 1917 and was designated a Bavarian Jasta on 17 July 1917.


    Formed: 25 October 1916
    Mobilized: 1 January 1917
    Aces: 11
    Victories: 54 Airplanes
    12 Balloons
    Losses: 14 Killed in Action
    1 Killed in Flying Accident
    9 Wounded in Action
    2 Prisoners of War
    Tom,
    Thanks, great information. Most helpful.
    Terry

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    You are very welcome Terry, glad I could help. Pretty cool info huh?

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    What a brilliant set Thanks for showing.

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    Very nice tunic Terry

    I very much like NCO tunics. The only German aviator tunic I have is for an officer.

    The NCO pilot's tunic is much more rare.

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    Vary nice tunic. This are hard to find. I have in my collection a group of an Jasta pilot from Jasta 23b. He fly together with Kleinschrod and had at least 8 victories. He had the last victory of Jasta 23b in WW1.


    MICHAEL HUTTERER
    (17. Nov. 1891 - 21. Jul. 1964)

    WW1
    04.08.14 – 02.11.17 2. kgl. bayr. Feldartillerieregiment „Horn“
    05.11.17 – 05.12.17 Fliegerersatzabteilung I,
    06.12.17 – 10.05.18 Kgl. bayr. Fliegerschule V. Training to pilot.
    10.05.18 – 14.05.18 Kgl. bayr. Fliegerschützen-Schule, Lager Lechfeld. Training on MG.
    14.05.18 – 23.05.18 Armeeflugpark 17
    23.05.18 – 12.11.18 Koniglich bayr. Jagdstaffel 23

    WW2
    26.08.1939 – 13.02.1941 Fliegerhorstkompanie Schleißheim
    14.02.1941 – 22.04.1943 Feldluftpark Neapel
    23.04.1943 – 18.02.1944 Luftgaukommando VII
    19.02.1944 – 10.05.1944 Annahme- und Entlassungsstelle (L) Luftgau VII – München 22

    Auszeichnungen:
    17.08.1912 Richtabzeichen
    24.04.1916 Bay. Militär Verdienst Kreuz 3. Klasse mit Schwertern
    20.12.1916 Eisernes Kreuz 2. Klasse
    10.07.1917 Eisernes Kreuz 1. Klasse
    23.07.1918 Flugzeugführerabzeichen
    21.08.1918 Ehrenbecher für den Sieger im Luftkampf
    03.02.1919 Bay. Militär Verdienst Kreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern
    Ehrenkreuz front Frontteilnehmer
    01.09.1941 Kriegsverdienstkreuz 2. Klasse mit Schwertern

    Beförderungen:
    1912 Gefreiter
    1912 Unteroffizier-Diensttuer
    1916 Unteroffizier
    1918 Vizefeldwebel

    victories:

    1-) 22.07.1918 - Typ: SE-5a - at 16:30 Uhr bei Grenay
    2-) 25.07.1918 - Typ: Camel - at 09:15 Uhr bei La Bassee
    3-) 30.07.1918 - Typ: RE-8 - at 11:30 Uhr bei Albert
    4-) 03.09.1918 - Typ: DH-9 - at 16:25 Uhr bei Arleux
    5-) 03.09.1918 - Typ: Dolphin - at 20:05 Uhr bei Marcoing
    6-) 15.09.1918 - Typ: SE-5a - at 18:10 Uhr bei St. Leger
    7-) 30.10.1918 - Typ: Camel - at 12:20 Uhr bei Seebourg
    8-) 01.11.1918 - Typ: SE-5a - at 12:40 Uhr bei Valenciennes

    Number 7 was the british Pilot Lieutenant A. Buchanan (7 Victories) from 210. Sqd. He survived and got POW.

    Regards Alex
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    Here a vary interesting page from Hutterer military pass with entries from Jasta 23b. remark the entry for his Ehrenbecher.

    Regards Alex
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