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Detected finds, Northern France. Identification help please.

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    Hi everyone. I have posted some images for interest and hopefully some I.D. assistance please. I have located an interesting spot, namely a field (where the farmer kindly gave me permission to dig). But all around this area a lot must have happened. I found a spot where boxes of 20mm anti aircraft ammo has gone up,along with boxes of grenade fuses. The exploded casings are all around the surrounding woods, but mostly right next to a road where they were either stored or where they were on a vehicle. The main area of interest I have found the following: spare section of tank track from a Sherman and a fire extinguisher. Plane parts which I think are Messerschmitt 109 and what maybe a shell from a Nebelwerfer. Anyway, here are some pics for your perusal. I was particularly hoping someone could tell me what the triple sphere pressure vessel is, where its from. I have many items not photographed yet, is there someone out there who can help me id parts from a german plane if I post them? Thanks in advance. Francis
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    I'm happy to see that you're back, Francis!! Looks like you've been busy with some Cool Finds!! That "Triple-Sphere-Vessel" you're referring to is an Oxygen-Bottle for a Fighter Plane...Oftentimes, Luftwaffe Airplane-Parts are marked with an "FL Number" such as FL30380, which happens to be the FL Number for the Oxygen Bottle, btw...
    I also notice you found another FlameThrower, this one is an Einstoss-Flammenwerfer, a Single-Burst Flamethrower...Rare Piece, I believe...
    Hopefully our friends will be able to help you out with the other finds...Wishing you continued Good Hunting out there, and thanks for sharing your finds with us....
    cheers, Glenn

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    Francis i'm not sure how i have missed your posts before , maybe because they have been in different sections but can you comply with this please

    Please read before attempting to post in this section !!!
    The gates of hell were opened and we accepted the invitation to enter" 26/880 Lance Sgt, Edward Dyke. 26th Bn Northumberland Fusiliers , ( 3rd Tyneside Irish )

    1st July 1916

    Thought shall be the harder , heart the keener,
    Courage the greater as our strength faileth.
    Here lies our leader ,in the dust of his greatness.
    Who leaves him now , be damned forever.
    We who are old now shall not leave this Battle,
    But lie at his feet , in the dust with our leader

    House Carles at the Battle of Hastings

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    [QUOTE=francis;1692421] I have located an interesting spot, namely a field (where the farmer kindly gave me permission to dig).

    Good Job, Setting the Example by doing the Right Thing and obtaining permission before digging!...
    cheers, Glenn

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    Photo 5, is a Luftwaffe UV cockpit light Fl.32269-1, Grt Nr 126-112A-1

    Nice finds.

    Regards Mike

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    I've learned that the Black-Colored Piece above is the Left Side-Panel for a Focke-Wulf Fw190 Fighter...
    cheers, Glenn

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    how did you clean them.

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    Hi Glenn. I hope that you are well. Thank you for the help with identifying some pieces. Especially the front panel. I was under the impression that this was an ME109. Because a lot of the parts I can identify so far could have come from a number of different planes. Also regarding the oxygen bottle... I wasnt sure whether this was a tank piece as it was right next to the piece of track and the 'flamethrower', which unfortunately appears to be an extinguisher after all. See pic. Its a bit more obvious now its been cleaned. I have looked at pics of the ME109 and the oxygen tanks appear to be different. I will look at the FW when I get some time and hopefully along with the front panel, this will confirm for definite what I have found for sure. Thanks again. Regards, Francis
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    Hi there greatwhite. On the subject of cleaning: I use several different methods, depending on the item, the type of metal, and the finish that you want to have as an end result. Heavily corroded solid steel: Electric drill with rotary wire brush. This can be followed up with electrolysis (basically a salt solution with a current passed through it which when done correctly removes any rust down to bare metal) When you use this system you would still need to prepare the item with a wire brush first though anyway. NOT suitable for non-ferrous.
    Brass and aluminium: Rotary wire brush (as previous), sand (or bead) blasting.
    'Acetic acid' is very good for this. Not only is it very safe, it is cheap and easy to manage. ie, not only can you vary the strength of your solution, but also the amount of time you leave it for. As for the end result, sometimes the brass will look too new and unrealistic as an artifact, in which case I would just use the wire brush. You can of course use a hand held wire brush (steel or brass), time consuming but sometimes necessary.
    The pic of the fire extinguisher was cleaned with a rotary brush then the steel section was done in electrolysis bath, the brass top section removed and wire brushed. Because the steel part is so corroded and all original paint missing, I thought the brass looked better clean but dull. To delay corrosion again: I never paint items, but on heavy steel I heat up the item to sweat out moisture, let it cool, then brush in wax boot polish to prevent contact with air. It helps and it doesn't ruin the item. You can see the shell fragments, these were done with electrolysis then boot polish. All these methods could be considered too brutal/invasive for true artifacts and delicate items of historical value eg coins, jewellery and that would require something more 'specialised' and not really what I do.
    Hope this helps, Kind regards. Francis

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    Hi Glenn. Happy New Year. After looking at a blow up diagram of an FW190 and looking up some numbers on other artifacts, it does appear that what I have found is more likely the site of a Focke Wulf rather than that of a ME109. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Do you have any idea what some of the other items might be? On a different note. In your opinion is it better (ie more successful for identification purposes) to put 1 image at a time as opposed to a large selection? Also, is it better to start off a new thread each time, or is this considered bad etiquette/a waste of space? Please advise. Im not that hot on the rights and wrongs on forum use. Kind regards. Francis

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