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Article about: by Schachbrett I've seen several pictures of Croatian soldiers with some kind of knife attached to the belt. I can't say that it's the same knife, but very similar. I can post a picture if I

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    Hi!

    Iīve got a question to this particular fighting-knife.


    Dimensions:

    Lenght overall: apx. 28,7 cm
    Blade lenght: apx. 16,2 cm
    Lenght of the hilt: apx. 12,5 cm
    Lenght of scabbard: apx. 16,6 cm
    crossguard: apx. 5,9 cm / 21 mm / 3,4 mm
    blade: apx. 4 mm "strong", apx 2,6 cm "broad"

    rel. "heavy" blade ... ,

    two wooden grip-plates,

    Not any markings visible ...


    This knifeīs serial-made for sure and not an "trench-art" !

    A fellow collector spottet some of this kniveīs at flea-marketīs once before, (but in very poor shape and without scabbard).

    In a German Gun-magazine this knifeīs also shown ...
    Thereīs believed, that this knife probably was manufactured in Romania, Czechoslovakia or Russia ...

    But no evidence in case of the period of production, only the suggestion, itīs "wartime" ...

    The bladeīs an almost look-alike to an italian Marine diverīs-knife of 1970, (maker: Galeazzi, La Spezia), but the diameters doesnīt really match ...
    Also the general impression of my knife doesnīt giveīs me really the feeling, to classify it into the seventyīs ...

    Does anybody of you have had seen a knife like this before ?

    Thx in advance,

    R.
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    Have a look in this thread:

    http://warrelics.eu/forum/equipment-...981/#post62913

    In my eyes itīs the same knife !

    Very interesting !

    Itīs really a miracle ...

    I showed my knife in some forums, but till now nobody was able to help me ...
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    Hi !

    Dayīs ago I catched another-one !


    dimensionīs:

    overall-lenght: 28,9 cm
    blade-lenght: 16,5 cm
    lenght of the hilt, (incl. crossguard): 12,4 cm
    lenght of the scabbard, (without loop): 17,3 cm
    lenght of the crossguard: 5,89 cm
    crossguard-breadth: 2,21 cm
    thickness of the crossguard: 3,5 mm
    width of the hilt: 2,86 cm
    thickness of the hilt: 2,1 cm
    blade-width: 2,58 cm

    Upon the scabbard is written in pencil:

    Gefreiter Siegel. R57., (I guess ...)

    Maybe the knife was captured by a German soldier in WWI or in WWII ?

    It seemīs, that some partīs of the scabbard have been "repaired", (German-made ?) ?
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    Nobody ?

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    Hi Reibert , that`s a interesting knife and i have been searching for answers and maybe something similar . I have not seen one of this design before , the nearest i have seen with a similar design was a Czech bayonet for the VZ58 rifle . These were manufactured post WW2 and during the Soviet occupation and the earlier production examples still used wood slab grips , so i was thinking perhaps they could have used the parts to make up the knife you show , but this is only a guess , what do you think ?
    REGARDS AL

    We are the Pilgrims , master, we shall go
    Always a little further : it may be
    Beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow
    Across that angry or that glimmering sea...

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    Quote by Alan M View Post
    ... the nearest i have seen with a similar design was a Czech bayonet for the VZ58 rifle . These were manufactured post WW2 and during the Soviet occupation and the earlier production examples still used wood slab grips , so i was thinking perhaps they could have used the parts to make up the knife you show , but this is only a guess , what do you think ?
    I donīt think so.
    Hereīre pics of the czech made bayonet with wooden grips, (packed in plastic).

    IMO my kniveīs are older !

    Rgds.,

    R.

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    Hi Reibert , i agree you`re knives look older , the point i was trying to make was that the design was similar in blade shape and grip , therefor , there is a good chance that the knives were Czech made also .
    REGARDS AL

    We are the Pilgrims , master, we shall go
    Always a little further : it may be
    Beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow
    Across that angry or that glimmering sea...

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    Servus !

    A good friend of mine, (he liveīs in Slovakia and heīs collecting bayoīs), wantīs to try to get more informationīs.

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    latest informations, itīs a russian knife ...

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    I've seen several pictures of Croatian soldiers with some kind of knife attached to the belt. I can't say that it's the same knife, but very similar. I can post a picture if I find it.

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