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57er Fakes ..............

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    Gents, the time has come, unfortunately to post a thread on the fakes that are being banded about the collector circles whether through dealers or the internet.....
    Please add to this thread as you come across fakes in your hunt for the genuine article.....
    Prost ! Steve.
    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    I start by showing some current Chinese copies, available from E-Bay. They appear to be well made...The German crosses look better in fact than some late versions from St u L ! however the markings on the pin "1" are the instant give away as no 57er DKiG or DKiS where marked that way. The RK KvK is not so good in quality and appears to have had a poor copy of a ribbon suspension ring from an RK of the EK attached !
    Prost ! Steve.
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    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    Unbelievable! ....... there is a copy of ANYTHING if there is demand for it ..... I'm assuming this is currently only the high awards / badges?

    Dan
    " When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble, give a whistle "

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    No Dan, have a look at this.......Although not a 1957 award, the Hindenburg Cross ran alongside the range post war for veterans to purchase (believed Deumer & Stu L)....here a current copy again from China, your for a little over 10, you can obtain a genuine one for that or a little less !! What will they fake/copy next !
    Prost ! Steve.
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    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    and the Horse riders badge (again not officially a 57er badge, but made post war for veterans and still issued today, but without the "R") is not immune, here the wartime and upto 1950 version (with the "R") is copied, even with St u L lettering to the rear (Cheeky sods)....but the pin/hinge and catch is all wrong.
    Prost ! Steve.
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    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    Copies of the Hindenburg Cross???

    As 'Fuji' used to say in 60's sitcom McHales Navy ... "oy Vay" - ( which is weird as he was a Japanese POW and the phrase is Yiddish! )
    " When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble, give a whistle "

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    Thanks for high lighting this area Steve, I really am getting to the point on giving up on anything unless it is in hand or from the one or two dealers I trust who have "donkeys years" of knowledge! These fakers are getting on my "Foppin bits" Leon.
    "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." Ernest Hemingway

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    more............this seller on E-Bay "loveisallaround12" proudly states in his auction pages "No Cheap Eastern European Reproduction Junk - You will see the difference when you hold these unbelievable items in Hands,compare with the rest and then get THE BEST !" his spiel is incredible...............
    Unfortunately they are cheap Eastern Asian reproduction junk ! again sourced probably from China....people are buying these ! Again the big give away is that they are always maker marked....including "Godet" a maker who never got involved in 57er production ! and many are fantasy. This is just a sample of his wares....check out his seller pages, its a gas as our American cousins would say.................U Boat badge and RK Golden Oaks/Swords with diamonds....and his version of a DGiS !
    Prost ! Steve.
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    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    and even more fakes, although I suspect the same seller as above using another name "minniespleasures77", photographs are so alike ! here are some of this sellers 57ers, KvK I with Swords, U Boat clasp in Silver and close combat clasp in Bronze , all with fictitious markings !
    Prost ! Steve.
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    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    thank you steve.

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