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Article about: Hello All! Roger9344 from our forum was kind enough to send me these. He does't know much about them, just that he got them in a shipment from Sweden and that they were labled as Bundeswehr

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    Default Help Identifying Bundeswehr Items

    Hello All!

    Roger9344 from our forum was kind enough to send me these. He does't know much about them, just that he got them in a shipment from Sweden and that they were labled as Bundeswehr items. I am hoping that someone here may be able to help.

    What exactly do I have on my hands here? My guess is that the Australia patch isn't Bundeswehr ...well, because it says Australia on it!

    I took these pics late at night with my cellphone camera. Let me know if better pics are necessary.

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    I know the left one and the middle one.
    The left one is the rang of NCO "Hauptfeldwebel" it was worn on the shoulderboards.
    The middle one is the patch for the Representation Unit "Wachbatallion" from Berlin. It was worn on the left arm.
    cheers
    Nikolaus

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    Maybe the "Australia" patch was American and meant "Austria" sorry......

    In all seriousness I believe the Australia patch may be an Early 90's service dress shoulder title....Maybe even a prototype version because the quality of it is not that great

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    I still have a nagging feeling that the Aussie title could be 1970's......

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    Quote by AMTG View Post
    I still have a nagging feeling that the Aussie title could be 1970's......
    I can't quite make out the shade of green but it also looks 70's to me as well.As you also say AMTG the quality is poor mate.
    Could it be a Nam era in country made title?
    Only a punt.
    Cheers Fella's
    Last edited by Thanatos; 02-09-2012 at 12:16 PM. Reason: text

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    Could well be theatre made, worn on greens.....I know there was a small rising sun square patch issued for overseas service during Vietnam.....but I know I have seen this title somewhere

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    GIZMO8Z...the metal insignia is the flat "Alt style" rank device used before 1963, metal rank devices after this date were raised and silver, I show a pre-1963 rank list, showing these devices. The two specialist badges are "F" for Army Feuerwerker, the other is not a Wachtbattalion badge as stated by Nikolaus (sorry Niklaus) but the "W" is for "Wallmeister" a senior Pioneer NCO who has gained studies at technical school in civil engineering, and is a consultant for both the military and civilian authorities with regards to construction of defensive positions. I have such a tunic, albeit a Fahnrich rank Artillery tunic, I show photographs of the wearing of these early specialist badges on lower left sleeve. The "Australia" shoulder badge could well be Bundeswehr...soldiers from other nations on long term attachment in special education/training in technical subjects were authorised to wear BW uniform, but had to identify country of origin by wearing such badges, soldiers on short term attachment could wear their own countries uniforms, but with a national shoulder badge attached, such as the one shown.....seeing though the Australian army used the Leopard tank for many years, this attachment for her soldiers is quite feasible. A selection of such shoulder badges are also shown.....
    Prost ! Steve.
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    Last edited by oradour; 02-09-2012 at 04:17 PM.
    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    Gents, here is the actual BW order for the wearing of such national shoulder badges.....
    "Order number ZDV 37-10.
    b) Foreign soldiers.
    502. Foreign soldiers, who perform service due to a training aid agreement in the German Federal Armed Forces, who are equipped with German uniforms, wear the Nationality marking for foreign soldiers. (fig. 502)
    The badges are attached to all items of clothing on which rank insignia are worn. The badges are worn at the top of the left sleeve, centrally 3.5 cm below the shoulder seam. The wearing of German rank, Nationality or Government badges is forbidden for members of foreign armed forces.
    The badges will be a semicircular arc 3 cm broad and 10 cm long. The name of the Country will be embroidered into a cloth background, the colours will be;
    Army: White on grey.
    Air Force: White on blue.
    Navy: Golden yellow on blue and blue on white."

    Prost ! Steve.
    "The German Army is the perfectly adapted, perfectly running Machine. The difference is that the Germans are organised with a view to War...with the cold, hard, practical and business-like purpose of winning victories."
    G.W. Steevens - The Daily Mail (1897)

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    Amazing! Thank you for such an informative and complete answer, Steve!

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