Cap Authentification Request for this Luftwaffe Flak NCO Schirmutze, Danke!

[Larboard]

Getting a little bit out of my realm again... this should be a good one because it is coming from an older collector who seems like a knowledgeable guy, but better safe than sorry. Upon closer look it looks like a pretty fancy material for an NCO cap, but I'll wait to see what the experts can tell me from this one pic, and request one of the inside.

Danke schön





NEW PICS POSTED TODAY 12-18-15 AT THE BOTTOM OF THE THREAD, THX!

[Walkwolf]

Not an expert, but used to own a yellow piped
EM ages ago. Not keen on the joining of the
sweatband at the side.........

[Larboard]

Here's another one I didn't realize I had. I'm trying to get a full size pic of the underside.

[rbminis]

The material is fine for this visor. I believe the seam of the sweatband at the side is not heard of.
The piping does appear a little thick though.
Here is my example.
Ralph.

[Larboard]

Is this very similar, piping and sweatband attachment?

Luftwaffe Flak Schirmmutze

[rbminis]

Is this very similar, piping and sweatband attachment?

Luftwaffe Flak Schirmmutze

The piping is similar, can't tell about the attachment. Some visors do have a thicker piping.
That visor is made from tricot, not wool, as yours is.
Ralph.

[ErWeSa]

Hello Larboard,

what is very unusual with this cap is the peak/visor: two seams for the edging! Moreover the underneath is black, not green. There are, however, authentic examples displaying black visor reverse sides (mostly late war caps). Sweatbands that join at the side are not the norm, but existed as well. I am really looking forward to the specialist's opinion.

[Larboard]

Couple more pics that I missed in my inbox somehow, not great but they are of the inside. At this point it will be here in a couple days. I can open it up and get more shots of the inside or ano other part of the cap that needs looked at properly.

[Larboard]

New pics from today, end of the day, light not very good and getting worse during the shoot. The emblem is not the greatest quality but may still be original (maybe late war as other details mentioned), has a couple flaws on the right wing not far from the body, and at the top edge near the tip, maybe just a manufacturing defect? Blow up (click twice) the third from last pic to see just how ugly this bird is... From a couple feet away, or one meter, it looks just fine ;-)

Smells like an oldie, has pretty extreme Sattelform?

The paper sweatband can't be flipped open without tearing it so I'm not going to, but in the 6th shot, I have the side of it flipped up and took a shot from inside the hat. You can see the sewing and the folded tabs to one of the chinstrap button.

In the broken celluloid, you can see the edge of a name, looks like it was in stamped in gold that is turning green (a good sign actually, as far as it being an antique), ending in ng", do you recognize this make name or logo? Hopefully this isn't one of those deals where someone ripped out a post war makers name to pass it off as pre 1945.

Good clear shot of the double stitched bill edging which was deemed unusual.

It seems like an older piece to me, quite possibly the real deal, but as we all know there are old fakes, although I don't know if an NCO Luft Flak hat is/was worth the bother.


Appreciate some definitive info as soon as possible, thanx in advance. I'll have to send it back if it doesn't pass muster.

[warbuff]

I believe this is a good one. If it was offered to me, I would buy it.