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SS Officer's Cap - Holter's - Legit?

Article about: Hey guys, Since you are all so quick and to the point in helping out with other items I've come across, I figured I would put this one up for opinions as well. I know the pics are bad, but I

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    Default SS Officer's Cap - Holter's - Legit?

    Hey guys,

    Since you are all so quick and to the point in helping out with other items I've come across, I figured I would put this one up for opinions as well.

    I know the pics are bad, but I would appreciate your best guess. It's an SS cap by Holter's..it says "Holters Uniformen Berlin W50" on the tag as you can see.

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    Thanks!

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    Hi klashownz,

    IMHO: Njet! Look here: SS Gray-Top GENERAL Visor Hats
    and here: Heer Infantry Officers schirmutze by "Holters"

    How many of these (particularly Holters!) can have survived? Bad pictures indeed. I'd like to see how the piping joins (overlapping? then forget it!), what is behind the sweatband, what is the black material at the base of the sweatband made of (oilcloth or plastic material?). But, as always, let's wait for the real specialists to comment, they can tell on first glance wheter I'm right or not - I am just the first to see the post as I am in the European time zone.

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    Thanks for the quick reply ErWeSa...I am almost embarrassed to even make a thread with these bad pictures. I am new to cloth headgear, so I'm hoping maybe to a more experienced eye would be a quick indication of if it was no good or not. I've had a bad thread on a post-war luftwaffe visor that I bought stupidly thinking it was Third Reich period and I am not going to make the same mistake again.

    On another note, the seller is offering an inspection period to look at the piece and have a full refund be available. I am almost thinking to purchase it and take better pictures and return it afterwards (or even better, keep it )

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    more pics added

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    Hi klash--it is a common Janke reproduction--no original parts.
    NEC SOLI CEDIT

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    Quote by ErWeSa View Post
    Hi klashownz,

    IMHO: Njet! Look here: SS Gray-Top GENERAL Visor Hats
    and here: Heer Infantry Officers schirmutze by "Holters"

    How many of these (particularly Holters!) can have survived? Bad pictures indeed. I'd like to see how the piping joins (overlapping? then forget it!), what is behind the sweatband, what is the black material at the base of the sweatband made of (oilcloth or plastic material?). But, as always, let's wait for the real specialists to comment, they can tell on first glance wheter I'm right or not - I am just the first to see the post as I am in the European time zone.

    I have a Holters Panzer cap for the army....foreground, right.....
    damit, basta.

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    Dear Sir,

    was soll ein Normalsterblicher dazu sagen? Bewundernswert.

    Can it be that I see a handsewn peak? There are some stiches visible made with an off-white yarn.

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    Quote by ErWeSa View Post
    Dear Sir,

    was soll ein Normalsterblicher dazu sagen? Bewundernswert.

    Can it be that I see a handsewn peak? There are some stiches visible made with an off-white yarn.
    Dear Sir, there are indeed some stitches under the piping. Maybe the cap was made by a poorly trained person in wartime.
    Who knows? The cap is very real.
    I have owned two Holters caps, and they are much, much, much more rare than many other makes, which cause the peanut gallery here to erupt into cackles of whatever.

    Your handicraft is very remarkable, as is your will to recreate a lost art.

    your loyal, FB
    damit, basta.

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    damit, basta.

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    Dear Sir,

    perhaps it is just the colour of the yarn that has faded. I am sure I would not have noticed the sitches had they been made with gray yarn. Anyway, I like hand stiched visors/sweatbands, I even own an early Erel where this was done - this proves that there are original caps made the way I make them (lacking the special sewing machines as did some of the cap makers of former times).

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