2 unidentified Caps

[gerrit]

Does anyone has an idea what these Caps are?
first one is completly black with red piping, celluloid trapeze has been removed.
Eagle is an original one but does not belong to the cap.
Mutzenkorbel is a early type also used by high SS leaders




Second one ( no eagle , only 2 pinholes left)
Is black to , but has the same colour piping as the panzer troops ( Rosa)
Has the celluloid trapeze, stirndruck frei DRP

[BenVK]

Post war Mining Association caps.

[gerrit]

Thx Ben,

knowing this makes it easy to find simular Caps on the net, Thx a lot!
Cheers

[stonemint]

Any time you see "Deutsches B-Patent" the hat is postwar. The "B" stands for "Bundes".

[gerrit]

Thx Stonemint,

thats a nice fact you added "B=Bundes"