Allgemeine SS General's visor cap hat

**all1knew** · 01-01-2016, 03:04 AM

Hello all,

Can I please get some experienced opinions on this cap that I picked up recently?

William Kramer

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 01-01-2016 03:04 AM

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**Friedrich-Berthold** · 01-01-2016, 04:56 AM

I would have to examine this item in hand, but I think it is a put together of real parts and fake parts, and with some skill at that.
The real criterion is the textile in the cap cover. If it is average in feel, then it is a stinker.
If not, then it demands closer scrutiny.
There are other aspects here I will not examine in total disclosure.
I own a Breiter Oberfuehrermuetze, which I have illustrated.
One question to pose is at which date did the Sonderanfertigung model go out of offer?
I have read 1936, but I think it breathed its last in 1937.....or so.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 01-01-2016, 04:59 AM

I would just offer this image as a contrast.

**stonemint** · 01-01-2016, 05:12 AM

I have to agree with F-B. A good hat was ruined to make this.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 01-01-2016, 05:13 AM

Here is the interior of the Breiter cap of mine, which is spot on. Notice plessier of the lining.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 01-01-2016, 05:18 AM

The other thing is to compare the RZM tag to a real one, i.e. the cloth of it and to examine the printing in minute detail.

You cannot wholly tell with these pictures. You can tell by having the thing in hand.

My black Oberfuehrermuetze is an impressive piece, unlike other black officer caps.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 01-01-2016, 05:20 AM

an authentic RZM/SS stamp on the reverse of the peak.

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 01-01-2016, 05:21 AM

another

**Friedrich-Berthold** · 01-01-2016, 05:28 AM

That is about as far as I want to go with this with the data at hand. There are some other facts I have left out, and will leave in the murk, since it is not my job to make the fakes better.
Nor is it my job to deal with the pseudo Malthusian, class war berserk persons who are always telling me how the sky will fall on my cap and increase my forehead
pressure to post nuclear strike levels. Pfui.

I would rather the cap be real, to be sure, but it is hard to find one. I think Weitze has an early, real cap for an Oberfuehrer on offer, but I have not examined it.

**BOB COLEMAN** · 01-01-2016, 05:38 AM

I concur with the comments of FB and Stonemint. This cap is not an "Allgemeine" SS cap but a black SS cap as worn by all branches of the SS as the dress uniform.