Infantry NCO Visor Cap by Clemens Wagner

**R.R** · 10-04-2019, 11:33 PM

Please, I'd like to have some opinions about this Clemens Wagner Visor Cap. It looks fine to me based in other Visor Caps from the same maker I had see. Stamp failed under Clemens Wagner name but I think it was produced in 1938 like others I had see.

Infantry NCO Visor Cap by Clemens Wagner

Thanks in advance.

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 10-04-2019 11:33 PM

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**TWS** · 10-05-2019, 12:09 AM

Looks good to me. Very nice condition and beautiful stamps.

**AZPhil** · 10-05-2019, 12:31 AM

That is in excellent condition.
So that I learn something today.
What do the larger numbered ink stamps on the underside of the sweatband mean/stand for? e.g. 48 , 'F,39

Semper Fi
Phil

**R.R** · 10-05-2019, 01:09 AM

Good question Phil.

I think the stamp in background is from the seller as I saw in other CW Visor Caps on the net, but these numbers is the 1st time I'm seeing.

From another Infantry Cap:

From a Panzer Cap:

From a Pioneer Cap:

**stonemint** · 10-05-2019, 03:43 AM

Good hat. CW was just the sweatband supplier (they even supplied Erel with sweatbands on their late-war caps).

**MAP** · 10-05-2019, 04:14 AM

by stonemint

Good hat. CW was just the sweatband supplier (they even supplied Erel with sweatbands on their late-war caps).

But did CW produce the sweatband? Or just supply it as a middleman?

If they are the maker of the sweatband, then what does the stamp on the left stand for? The visor maker? (It does say mützenmacher). I just can make out the name above mützenmacher....

**stonemint** · 10-05-2019, 04:49 AM

by MAP

But did CW produce the sweatband? Or just supply it as a middleman?

If they are the maker of the sweatband, then what does the stamp on the left stand for? The visor maker? (It does say mützenmacher). I just can make out the name above mützenmacher....

Don't know for sure if they cut the sweatband, or they were leftover CW stock.
The Muetzenmacher is actually a consortium of hat makers, called a Lago (see the Wilkins book for more info).

**MAP** · 10-05-2019, 04:56 AM

Will do. Thanks

So the Muetzenmacher consortium IS the manufacturer of the visor. Correct?

Just trying to get it right. Thanks

**stonemint** · 10-05-2019, 07:22 AM

by MAP

Will do. Thanks

So the Muetzenmacher consortium IS the manufacturer of the visor. Correct?

Just trying to get it right. Thanks

Correct...

**R.R** · 10-05-2019, 10:35 AM

by stonemint

Don't know for sure if they cut the sweatband, or they were leftover CW stock.
The Muetzenmacher is actually a consortium of hat makers, called a Lago (see the Wilkins book for more info).

But surprises me how much the visor caps made by this consortium have a very similar appearance among they. Until now I had think they were really made by Clemens Wagner.