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Kriegsmarine Visor Thread

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    This isn't the forum to debate semantics--it is to discuss headgear. However, KaLeun is perfectly acceptable as well:

    Der Kapitänleutnant (KptLt, KL) bezeichnet in deutschsprachigen Marinestreitkräften einen Offizier der Dienstgradgruppe der Hauptleute, der dem Hauptmann in Heer und Luftwaffe vergleichbar ist. In der mündlichen dienstlichen Anrede ist auch die Kurzform Herr Kaleu / Frau Kaleu gebräuchlich. Historisch war in den deutschsprachigen Marinestreitkräften für den Kapitänleutnant auch die Alltagsanrede KaLeun oder KaLeunt gebräuchlich.
    Let's keep on topic.
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ID:	538256This is a forum for historical study of regalia to a high standard and the German terms are crucial to the success of this site in Google when people search for things as they do. Do let me say that I have some direct experience of this issue more so than others, and while I am grateful for your addendum in German which I note, in 35 years of, as I say, direct experience, which I do not wish to describe in detail, I have always heard and seen the phrase "Kaleu" used by officers and sailors not only of the Bundesmarine but by those of the Kriegsmarine in my acquaintance when I was a student in Germany in the 1970s as well as professional life around veterans of the Kriegsmarine et cetera. Your hats are very nice and very rare and desirable, to be sure, but the context is also the issue here. I am also well familiar with the record of the Imperial German Navy, to boot, and spent more than two years in archives with primary sources of the epoch 1890-1918, as well as with the Reichsmarine in the epoch 1924-1933. My involvement with these things has gone beyond the borders of a hobby.
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    damit, basta.

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    First km admirals visor I have had the privelage to see very informative stone mint. I like the KM stuff but don't know enough about it. timothy

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    This is an elegant piece of headgear that (unfortunately) does not rate highly on the collectibility scale. IMHO, they are elegant pieces that have much in the way of tradition going for them. Almost every navy used these caps, even the USA (they are called "fore and aft" caps).
    In German, they are called the Zweispitz. This one is being sold by Weitze, and belonged to Konteradmiral Erich Müller.
    As it was a form of dress headgear, they were not worn very much, especially after the war started. Most are well-preserved, as they are one of the few pieces of German headgear that hat their own fitted case:
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    Great thread Stoney, and your admiral's visor is one of the nicest on the planet.

    Here are a couple that I had recently, they bit the dust in trades, but I still have a strong liking for KM caps....


    Bob
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    I thought I had a close up of the eagle on the last one posted, but it looks liek I didn't keep any close ups,
    the eagle was sewn on fairly poorly, so that is why I thought it may have been a replacement.

    Here they are side by side...


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    Great hats, Bob, and thanks for posting them.
    The "replaced" insignia on the one hat appear to be a perfect match--are you sure they were replaced?
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    No, not real sure, I was just going on the poor sewing, but I guess they had 'off days' back in the 40's too...

    They all went through Bill Shea's hands in the end.....

    Bob

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