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We all adhere to the preservation of human rights and constitutional fundamentals as in Article II (democracy) of the Washington Treaty (NATO) and pursue no hateful, racist, extremist, and violent political ends with this site or with our collection.
The delayed discovery of the NSU Pink Panther Nazis in Zwickau, who, unlike Breivik, signified a classical neo Nazis cell, adds a further dimension to contemporary events with resonance of the past.
Our site is not political, and devoted to the study, care, and maintenance of historical artifacts without a radical right wing political purpose. If you want to do same, go to the 100,000 other sites that pursue just this aim.
My Norwegian colleague is obviously interested in history.
My family's disgust had more to do with my failure either to become an accountant or a historical novelist.
At the same time, Germany is my second home, as is Austria, and most of my friends are Germans and Austrians, and many included at an earlier time those who had lived through the III. Reich and were people in whom I had very high esteem and still do.
Plus, I like German women, too, especially.
Everytime something terrible and incomprehensible - like Breivik's appalling crimes, the latest school shooting or any other kind of killing spree - occurs, the media and the authorities lash out against some scapegoat group or cultural phenomenon, whether it is really relevant to the killer's motivation or not.
Had Breivik been known to be an enthusiastic computer gamer, they would be banning computer games, had he been an avid sports shooter, they would take a closer look on rifle clubs.
Too bad that this Breivik character does not really fit into any drawer, though, except, of course, "schizophrenic", but that is not a handy one...
Ah, well, since he was opposed to left-wing politics and immigrants... he simply must be a Nazi, so let's take action against anybody and anything having anything to do with that and the world is safe again!
Really, this kind of prejudice against harmless collectors annoys me all the more these days as we here in Germany only just had to learn that a small group of very real and very dangerous Neo-Nazis had been active here; plotting and killing for more than a decade under the noses of our various police and intelligence agencies.
Actually, something that I could never quite understand is the fact that so many people automatically assume anybody interested in Third Reich items to be a Nazi, simply equating interest with identification.
Oddly enough, this assumption seems to exist only in connection with Third Reich items.
At least I have never had the impression that Red Army collectors are automatically assumed to be Stalinists or that collectors of ancient Roman artifacts are suspected of worshipping Jupiter, planning to conquer Europe and being in favor of re-introducing gladiator games...
I can fully support and share all the points you bring up in your very reflected post here, Andreas.
About Breivik being "paranoid schizophrenic"... in my honest opinion this evaluation of Breivik is a travesty and flat out ridiculous (many critical voices in Norway and elsewhere have arisen lately). Example: When Breivik was preparing the bomb at the rural farm he was renting, he was very afraid that the Norwegian security service (PST) was onto him and he feared that they had mounted cameras in the vicinity to observe him - which is a very reasonable fear for a man preparing such a plan. But in the evaluation this is described as being signs of clinical paranoia - a mental illness...and it just goes on and on in this evaluation. Using this kind of framework Hitler and Stalin were also paranoid schizophrenics, and let's not forget Vidkun Quisling etc... It is very dangerous to equate extreme political positions with a psychologically distorted perception of reality, like in many cases of paranoid schizophrenia. A bit off topic now, but just wanted to mention this. I am truly ashamed on my country's behalf when two so-called "experts" can produce such a piece of rubbish as this evaluation. I have seen this tendency in Norway develop over many years within judicial psychiatry - to make people responsible for such acts "sicker" and "sicker" until there is no responsibility left - "it was just a disease that caused it". Where will it end?
I didn't anticipate the discussion going in this direction but I congratulate the members who contributed for their well thought out and interesting responses in regards to some very sensitive topics.
Discussions of this nature are enough to make any moderator very nervous Kenneth but you have all written relevant and informative opinions which is why I felt the need to say thank you.
Very interesting thread, guys. I can only say that I love this forum and how we focus entirely on militaria, but I don't mind the occasional relevant off-topic conversation. Apart from the occasional disrespectful new member and bouts of racism I have seen here, it has been a very good experience to be a member of this forum and I thank you all for helping me learn about the hobby more than I ever could without without you.
"Everytime something terrible and incomprehensible - like Breivik's appalling crimes, the latest school shooting or any other kind of killing spree - occurs, the media and the authorities lash out against some scapegoat group or cultural phenomenon, whether it is really relevant to the killer's motivation or not."
Andreas, I could not agree with you more! I have been on the ugly end of this for more than just collecting German militaria.
Although I can also say that the 90% of people who look at my collection for the first time and say, "Wow! You have some really amazing history here! What was this used for?" certainly make up for the 10% who may think that I am a Nazi.
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