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    Quote by MAP View Post
    I would await further input from those with more knowledge than me, but I think that Erel used a similar perforated sweatband. I do not know if others did as well. I'm sure they did.

    Edit: Well I will correct what I posted above. Yes, other manufactures used this perforated type liner band.
    Thank you very much for the information.

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    I would not worry overly about the size not exactly matching the marked "59". Remember, that this cap is at Least 71 years older and quite likely older, as it may well be pre-war. Caps and hats tend to dry and shrink over time and seldom match their original sizes today. It's a fine hat, in any case. Definitely of decent quality and condition.
    William

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    Quote by Wagriff View Post
    I would not worry overly about the size not exactly matching the marked "59". Remember, that this cap is at Least 71 years older and quite likely older, as it may well be pre-war. Caps and hats tend to dry and shrink over time and seldom match their original sizes today. It's a fine hat, in any case. Definitely of decent quality and condition.
    Actually, I had not thought of that, actually his cap after more than 70 years must have gone through some structural changes, and multiply the diameter (despite the cap being slightly bent) by 3,14 we will have more than 58cm, it is somewhat inconsistent to measurement. and relies on a tape more reliable too.
    Many thanks for your information.

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    Astrath.. Welcome to the forum !! G
    I'd rather be A "RaD Man than a Mad Man "

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    Very grateful, thank you.

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    Hello Astrath,

    I do hope the adhesive tape didn't do any damage to the sweat band!

    I can only support F.-B.'s opinion that this is one of the earlier caps, as sweatband and peak (and even the grey Vorstoß - something for what even I use a sewing machine, never have seen this done by hand) are handsewn to it - the specialised sewing machines for this kind of job were very expensive so smaller cap manufacturers couldn't afford them at the beginning.

    For this reason I, too, do not think that without the sweatshield there is a real chance to identify the maker - it will likely be one of the thousands of small workshops.

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    Quote by ErWeSa View Post
    Hello Astrath,

    I do hope the adhesive tape didn't do any damage to the sweat band!

    I can only support F.-B.'s opinion that this is one of the earlier caps, as sweatband and peak (and even the grey Vorstoß - something for what even I use a sewing machine, never have seen this done by hand) are handsewn to it - the specialised sewing machines for this kind of job were very expensive so smaller cap manufacturers couldn't afford them at the beginning.

    For this reason I, too, do not think that without the sweatshield there is a real chance to identify the maker - it will likely be one of the thousands of small workshops.

    Hello my friend, thank you for your contribution, the tape has almost no glue, so did not generate damage to the sweatband because it already knew that the tape has almost no glue is used to demarcate roles.
    I do not understand a thing you mentioned:
    "... (and even the gray Vorstoß - something for what even I use the sewing machine, never have seen this done by hand) are handsewn to it ..."
    Sorry but my English is not very good, you could explain?
    Thank you so much.

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    Quote by ErWeSa View Post
    Hello Astrath,

    I do hope the adhesive tape didn't do any damage to the sweat band!

    I can only support F.-B.'s opinion that this is one of the earlier caps, as sweatband and peak (and even the grey Vorstoß - something for what even I use a sewing machine, never have seen this done by hand) are handsewn to it - the specialised sewing machines for this kind of job were very expensive so smaller cap manufacturers couldn't afford them at the beginning.

    For this reason I, too, do not think that without the sweatshield there is a real chance to identify the maker - it will likely be one of the thousands of small workshops.
    My friend ErWeSa makes caps as a craftsman, and he is very informed from experience about the challenges of such craft.

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    There are cases where the size of a cap is relevant when the danger exists that the cap is from a famous personality and or, as often with SS caps, the things are or
    are not remade.

    Wolfgang is completely correct about the thousands of small cap workshops of the time, which do not get nearly the attention they deserve.

    Happy hats.
    Last edited by Friedrich-Berthold; 01-24-2016 at 08:32 PM.
    damit, basta.

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    My friend ErWeSa makes caps as a craftsman, and he is very informed from experience about the challenges of such craft.

    The women in the hat store on Mariahilfer Strasse in Vienna (my friends) spend much time steaming and stretching hats, which, do indeed shrink.

    There are cases where the size of a cap is relevant when the danger exists that the cap is from a famous personality and or, as often with SS caps, the things are or
    are not remade.

    Wolfgang is completely correct about the thousands of small cap workshops of the time, which do not get nearly the attention they deserve.

    Happy hats.

    Fantastic, striking images, much of interest, were made almost manually these caps, that's wonderful, I wonder how it should be nice power walk into a store and buy these one copy of each, hehehehe.
    I had never seen images like these, thank you for all that information.
    The RZM code was applied to hats of all styles ???
    If so, it was only after 1939 ???
    Thank you very much - Muito Obrigado

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    Hello Astrath,

    to your question, that is what I mean with handsewn seam (in the first picture you can see how the grey fabric is fixed to the cap band with big stiches which is very unusual):

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    The second picture shows the seam that fixes sweatband and peak to the visor, which is not that unusual:

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    compare to a machine sewn seam:

    http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attach...p-dscf5529.jpg

    On F.-B.'s picture: http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attach...enmacher02.jpg you can see a device for measuring cap sizes btw.

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