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The "Rosetta Stone" for Visors and more to come...

Article about: This is a 50th anniversary company overview for the Hamburg firm of Willy Sprinfeil that dates to 1951 (the company made all types of soft headgear during the TR). If there is any interest,

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    Wow this is a great thread, thank you!
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    Really nice.

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    Wonderful material and, if you got this for your collection, a real coup. Well done.
    damit, basta.

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    Wonderful material. I think the Wagner price list is from '14-'18, because of the reference to the peacetime, i.e. blue uniform, as well as the comment that the firm cannot find trained artisans to make caps, which, I deem to be an oblique reference to the war. There is also the statement about army field post, too, so it is indeed wartime. Also, the mention of constant price increases (the German inflation did not start in 1918, but in 1914). There is also mention of silk caps for their light weight and appealing traits.
    Thanks to Mr. Mint and Mr. Saris for these wonderful sources, a real poem.
    damit, basta.

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ID:	659566Klappmuetze in the generic name for this kind of peaked cap. You see the term used also in Uniformkunde things well back into the 19th century.
    There is also the term Klapphut, of course, too. However, it has a different meaning.
    The term is used in the cap making book and in the RZM regulations.

    A Klappmuetze is also a sea lion with a big snout, but that's not what we have in mind here.
    Last edited by Friedrich-Berthold; 03-13-2014 at 07:04 AM.
    damit, basta.

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    Concur with F-B - huge thanks to Stoney and Wim for bringing this very informative information forward and agree that having the original reference material is priceless.

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    Very interesting material. I would like to correct one point, however- the "Friedensuniform" is not referring to the pre-war blue visor, but is in fact a variety of grey visor (and accompanying uniform) that was projected to be introduced AFTER the war, but was made available for private-purchase during the war from about 1915. It was a very pleasing combination of the colored cuffs and collar from pre-war, and the wartime grey bodied tunic. The accompanying visor cap had a lacquered grey visor. The Kaiser was very fond of this pattern of dress.

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    Quote by Arran View Post
    Very interesting material. I would like to correct one point, however- the "Friedensuniform" is not referring to the pre-war blue visor, but is in fact a variety of grey visor (and accompanying uniform) that was projected to be introduced AFTER the war, but was made available for private-purchase during the war from about 1915. It was a very pleasing combination of the colored cuffs and collar from pre-war, and the wartime grey bodied tunic. The accompanying visor cap had a lacquered grey visor. The Kaiser was very fond of this pattern of dress.
    Thanks, this is your metier. We appreciate the guidance.
    damit, basta.

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    Here some more information:

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    The above drawings are from a July 1935 Wagner-catalogue/leaflet

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    The expression Klappmütze was not used in the manufacturings-regulations
    from the Reichszeugmeisterei. Here some samples of what expressions they
    did use (just small parts from a complete manufacturing-regulation):

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    I did not watermark the material. If using elsewhere I only ask it to be properly
    credited with my name.

    Remark: it is even possible the leaflet from post 1 and two machine-written pages,
    as shown earlier, do not belong together! The first typed page mentions it was not
    possible to have a new cataloque. The leaflet however is printed. I could be wrong
    about that.
    Last edited by Wilhelm Saris; 03-13-2014 at 07:15 PM.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Excellent info, as always.

    I was aware that the term had nothing to with being able to fold a cap, but will be the first to admit that - even as a native speaker of German - had no idea where exactly the Klapp- part of the term actually originates!

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