Become our sponsor and display your banner here
Results 1 to 9 of 9

System of grades for issued clothing in the Wehrmacht

Article about: My comment here caused echoes elsewhere. "Erste Garnitur" / & EM visor cap production dates question - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums The system of Garnituren was used b

  1. #1

    Default System of grades for issued clothing in the Wehrmacht

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_0948.jpg 
Views:	80 
Size:	203.5 KB 
ID:	914684My comment here caused echoes elsewhere.

    "Erste Garnitur" / & EM visor cap production dates question - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums


    The system of Garnituren was used by the staff of the unit stores for items issued to troops and under their administrative cognizance.

    The ratings were stamped in the item according to its relative condition, and the piece of uniform was downgraded, say from erste Garnitur to zweite Garnitur

    as it was issued and then worn out. This system is an old one, having made its way into Prussian slang to the effect that if someone is "dritte Garnitur,"

    then they ain't very good. I learned this phrase from a professor, and old line Berliner at the Freie Uni in Berlin decades ago.

    In my library, I have the handbook for the Bekleidungsunteroffizier, which explains how this system works.

    I do not have it at hand, but I will find it and include the relevant passages.

    This system is also explained in all the Angolia/Schicht books from Motorbuch and or Bender, respectively.

    Soldiers had a cap issued to them, but also could purchase the famous Extramuetze.
    Last edited by Friedrich-Berthold; 12-19-2015 at 05:40 AM.
    damit, basta.

  2. # ADS
    Circuit advertisement
    Join Date
    Always
    Location
    Advertising world
    P
    Many
     

  3. #2

    Default

    The Militaria Verlag catalogs from the leading German language military museums also include an interpretation of this aspect of the clothing economy of the old armies.
    damit, basta.

  4. #3

    Default

    I have to find the original document which is quite pithy on the whole clothing economy thing.

    The officer's handbooks also have the same data, actually.
    damit, basta.

  5. #4

    Default

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	049-metropolis-theredlist.jpg 
Views:	66 
Size:	112.5 KB 
ID:	914908Click image for larger version. 

Name:	kleiderspende-der-adefa-1938-E01HRX.jpg 
Views:	20 
Size:	55.2 KB 
ID:	914909Name:  cool-facts-about-california-36-300x225.jpg
Views: 129
Size:  36.4 KBClick image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_0948.jpg 
Views:	25 
Size:	203.5 KB 
ID:	914911Click image for larger version. 

Name:	2015-10-19 20.38.22 copy 2.jpg 
Views:	79 
Size:	233.9 KB 
ID:	914912Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_0947.jpg 
Views:	40 
Size:	239.8 KB 
ID:	914921Click image for larger version. 

Name:	IMG_0950 copy.jpg 
Views:	50 
Size:	218.8 KB 
ID:	914922Click image for larger version. 

Name:	2015-11-10 17.00.11.jpg 
Views:	42 
Size:	231.0 KB 
ID:	914923I cannot find my handbook for the Bekleidungsunteroffizier, because it is lost under a pile of other things. But I shall find it.
    damit, basta.

  6. #5
    ?

    Default

    Hi Friedrich-Berthold, thanks for expanding on this subject. It was of course my thread on the WAF! I did a search on there and couldn't see a great deal of coverage of this subject, so thought I would see if I could start a discussion.

    Interesting to see that the Roman numeral IV was not used, rather IIII - so that each "I" could be added in sequence, as the condition of the item deteriorated.

    Do you think this was a pre-war/ early war system in the Third Reich, abandoned as the war progressed?

    Are these markings seen in many caps?

    Best regards, Paul

    PS - You have a lot of caps!

  7. #6

    Default

    Interesting topic, here are two Other Ranks/NCO Robert Lubstein visor cap interiors from the HG Division with the ' I & II ' marks stamped into the linings.....


    Bob
    Click to enlarge the picture Click to enlarge the picture Click image for larger version. 

Name:	AAA 012.jpg 
Views:	64 
Size:	225.2 KB 
ID:	914924   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	HG visor 008.jpg 
Views:	28 
Size:	242.9 KB 
ID:	914925  


  8. #7

    Default

    Quote by PaulW View Post
    Hi Friedrich-Berthold, thanks for expanding on this subject. It was of course my thread on the WAF! I did a search on there and couldn't see a great deal of coverage of this subject, so thought I would see if I could start a discussion.

    Interesting to see that the Roman numeral IV was not used, rather IIII - so that each "I" could be added in sequence, as the condition of the item deteriorated.

    Do you think this was a pre-war/ early war system in the Third Reich, abandoned as the war progressed?

    Are these markings seen in many caps?

    Best regards, Paul

    PS - You have a lot of caps!
    Sir, thanks. I am glad you posted here, since I cannot abide the cooties on the other place.
    The system is an old one, and I do not know what happened to it in the course of the war, save that the clothing economy changed fundamentally,
    and the wear out periods were extended and extended out of need and then out of desperation.

    Truth be told, I have never seen these marks in caps other than these Lw examples, but then I do not look with as much care as some.

    My focus is on black SS uniforms, but I have collected army and air force caps all my life.

    I must find my booklet from the epoch on all of this, but I also must not fall off of ladders, what with my shaky balance and such.

    Happy holidays.
    damit, basta.

  9. #8
    ?

    Default

    Thanks Friedrich-Berthold, and Happy Holidays to you!

    Bob, thanks for posting those examples. I've added the markings from my cap to this thread.

    It seems that all three relate to the 1st Battalion (though different Batteries) of the General Goring Regiment (and all of a similar type on the top lining), incidentally the 'Heavy Flak' (88mm) Battalion from late 1937. For example 3rd Battalion caps seem to have their stamps behind the sweatband.

    I can't help but wonder if there was an 'Old school' stores NCO in the 1st Battalion who liked to do things 'by the book' !

    Best regards, Paul
    Click to enlarge the picture Click to enlarge the picture Click image for larger version. 

Name:	2000000050621-019.JPG 
Views:	50 
Size:	128.6 KB 
ID:	915855  

  10. #9

    Default

    The stamps could all be from the same person, in fact.

    The normal place to stamp these caps as to their unit and such is, indeed, behind the sweat band.

    Thanks for the material and this site is more useful for this kind of question than elsewhere.

    I could not locate my clothing quartermaster hand book, as I have it stored away atop too high shelving,

    and I am too prone to topple off the ladder without supervision.
    damit, basta.

Similar Threads

  1. System Schutz Wehrmacht für k 98 Org.

    In Field equipment, kit and other
    09-16-2014, 03:10 PM
  2. 02-09-2014, 04:50 PM
  3. 10-27-2013, 07:00 PM
  4. Three grades of Mutterkreuze

    In Orders & Decorations of the Third Reich
    10-07-2011, 09:24 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •