Late war, but still a nice example:
Visor
Late war, but still a nice example:
“Show me the regulation, and I’ll show you the exception.”
Beautifull cap... love the Railroad visors and Their
Insignia!!!
Nice cap, but officially and according to 1941 DRB-regulations it has the wrong eagle!
The eagle is NOT state, but political (1939-form for political leaders from the NSDAP).
The state eagle looked the other way around.......
Last edited by stonemint; 09-28-2017 at 05:16 PM.
by Wilhelm Saris
Wim, as you know, I am aware of the regulations.
But for every rule, there was an exception, and in the late-war period, whatever was available was used.
The eagle is the only one that has ever been on the hat, and matches the finish of the wings perfectly.
Here is just one example of the M-39 eagle being worn in a period photo:
“Show me the regulation, and I’ll show you the exception.”
Yes, I know, but if you collect caps you should have them
according regulations. Not just, while it is seen on photos.
In this I have my opinion. These days, much is twisted as
exceptions and give the idea that exceptions are normal.
If just 0,01% did not follow the rules, you get what is seen
with the photo in post 4. By the way until the end of the
war they had enough eagles according to regulations!! They
even had them until the seventies.
Wim, you and I will have to agree to disagree on collecting "textbook" headgear.
Based on both photgraphic evidence and actual surviving examples, the amount of non-regulation headgear is (imo) higher that you assert.
Documentary evidence reflects that every regulation was broken--we see political eagles on SS visors; Danziger skulls; metal insignia on LW visors; SS eagles on WH visors; SA kepis with WH eagles; etc, etc.
The list is almost endless, and someone should not turn away a perfectly good hat just because it does not meet regulations.
(In case people are wondering about non-textbook soft headgear, please see this thread
Don't tell me they wouldn't have worn it..........
“Show me the regulation, and I’ll show you the exception.”
The hat is absolutely beautiful & can perch itself on my top shelf any day ! Fantastic example
As far as the anomaly with the eagle...well I have a saying ..."Prove it, show me pictures"...Well you did just that
Obviously one cannot make a remark about when an insignia is not according
to regulation. Let nonsense prevail is the motto!
It is time for me to take a cue from this forum, as is done by FB and Bob
Coleman. They made a wise decision. Sorry for those that indeed do want
to learn. It happens too much the last weeks that wanne-be "experts" and
wiseacres take the lead and waste away the best forum there is at the moment.
And so be it. I am too old for such bullsh*t! It has nothing to do with this post
about the DRB visor and neither with Chris. Auf Wiedersehen!
Last edited by Wilhelm Saris; 09-29-2017 at 08:41 AM.
Please reconsider Wim, this forum has bled enough!......
Gentlemen, I have read and re-read this thread several times over and for the life of me don't understand what this latest controversy is all about or how there even is a controversy.
Basically, both Wim and Stonemint agree that the eagle is non-regulation and that such anomalies did occur.
(Since FB was mentioned: The period use of non-regulation badges in particular is something he has taught us with great dilligence and for many years.)
The only real difference in opinions here is whether such anomalies are desirable to collect or not and this should be nothing to argue about, for in the end, it's up to anybody to decide for themselves what they wish to collect.
Last edited by HPL2008; 09-29-2017 at 12:48 PM.
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