Dagger and Bayonet opinions

[AmericanKraut]

I'm newer to collecting German blades and Ive recently found these two which Ive never seen before any idea on what they are and what their worth the owner wants 150$ for both. I'm guessing ill need better photos


The Bayo is marked (467413 waffenfabrik neuhausen) Which I think is a, Swiss M1889/11 or German? (That i dont know anything about)
The knife is marked (F. Horster solingen)

Thanks -Ben

[AmericanKraut]

Anyone?

[Ryan B]

Im not an expert on these ben but my opinion if you could get a better pictures of both. It might help getting a better views of the dagger/Bayonet expically the one with the bird head sort of thing.
Ryan

[Walkwolf]

One on the left is Swiss as you thought. The other may be Itailian ?

[Billy G]

The piece on the right is an Italian Fascist Youth dagger & is called a GIL (Gioventu Italiana del Littorio) dagger. I'd say it's value, depending on condition, could be $300 or higher so a good deal at $150 for both.

[Billy G]

Came across one on Tom Johnson's site while surfing last night, he's looking for $900 for his. Deduct 25%-30% dealer premium for a general idea of value but in general Italian Fascist blades don't bring the huge money German blades do. I still say $150 is a deal, wish I could find something priced well myself.

[AmericanKraut]

Thanks for the help guys, so the Italian Daggers were made in Germany?

[Billy G]

Some were, some weren't. I know Horster had some contracts with Italian weapons but there were also some Italian companies, one based on Napoli, that made their own stuff. Generally speaking, the German stuff was better made IMHO.

[Scout]

That dagger has strange dimensions. It looks almost like it has a former sword hilt.