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Help with bayo ID

Article about: Im able to find references to a 56 In Reg, but no reserve unit under that designation. Does anyone know of it perchance?

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    Hello all Im new here and just recently started collecting. I bought these two bayonets today and was hoping to get some help positivly ID'ing the top bayo in this pic. It was listed as a WW2 with nothing else, and I think I have it ID'ed as a S71/84, possibly being from an east african unit, but maybe WAYYYYY off the mark.









    These are all the pics I have till the item actually reaches me. Any help would be amazingly greatly appreciated.
    Last edited by Tarrok; 09-24-2011 at 02:57 AM.

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    Realized links didnt work. Reposted to amend this problem.

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    The initial issues of the Mauser Jägerbüchse 71 rifle and the G88 Commission rifle to the early German colonial troops usually came with the short "Seitengewehr 1871/84" bayonet (often abbreviated to S71/84). This number is not a unit number only a MFG number. Welcome to the forum and hope this helps maybe someone else has more input on it.

    Eric
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    Tarrok

    The bayonet without muzzle ring is a first model S84-98 (alt Arte - old pattern) which was converted from the S71-84 - there is some information to suggest that these conversions were done in 1908-09

    The key feature in spotting the conversion is the pommel shape and the lack of muzzle ring.

    The photo shows the difference - the S71-84 is at the bottom.

    The unit marking 56. R. 7. 112. represents the 56th Reserve Infantry Regiment, 7th Company, Weapon 112.

    The other bayonet is some sort of Mauser bayonet - probably not German made - Belgium or Yugoslavia perhaps.

    Regards

    Richie
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    Hey man thank you so much for the help! That is awesome that you know that!

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    Hey man thank you so much for the help! That is awesome that you know that!
    My pleasure

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    The top bayo is a Czech VZ24 short type-cutting edge is 'up'-as Richie B says, for export as the rifle was widely sold in the 20s-30s and after the war (this appears to be prewar).

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    Ok, so im partially restoring the S84 and the wood is rotten as heck. Anyone have an answer on a possible replacement? Should I fashion on myself?

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    The top bayonet is a czechoslovak Vz.24 when 30cm long blade, the scabbard is not correct, probably a belgian export, the czechoslovak has some marking? It could be export too.

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    no scabbard markings. The blade has a simple CHZ with what looks like a lower case v over the C, and a capitol H beneath the CHZ.

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