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I agree that these navies look very real but when compared to an original they don't even come close. I don't want to give away too many details because unfortunately the people who make these fakes read these posts on forums like this too. But I can give a few hints. I can also say there are not many original parts in any of the three daggers that I've shown.
To produce a good fake is more difficult than many people may think. Every manufacturer has specific details that an experienced collector spots immediately. Some producers used makermarks that are stamped, others etched, some makermarks are always on the backside of the blade, others always on the front. Some makermarks are only used on army daggers and never on navies and so on. Many producers used only their characteristic scabbards, pommels, gripwire, crossguards etc. Fakers tend to get confused by all these variations and make mistakes. The best of the three fakes I show is the Alcoso dagger but even this one isn't even close to an original. The scabbard bands are wrong, the gripwire is wrong, the eagle is wrong and the crossguard is wrong. I hope they will keep on making this kind of mistakes for many years 
Danny
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08-21-2013 07:50 PM
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Hello General..welcome to the forum...both knives are repro..the SS dagger having a printed motto and off center is not consistent of an Eickhorn producer..as is what The RZM7/66 code refers to as a Late period dagger. The lower crossguard does not fit the grip at all and most horribly. The dagger IMO has some parts to it..this is one to stay away from. keep searching there are beter conditioned Late SS daggers to be found.
The HJ knife is modern day repro as the scabbard leather is new and the scabbard throat opening has a lip on the top of the opening.....NO HJ dagger had this. Read through some of the Threads in the HJ section of this forum and you will visually see the differences. A great investment is to obtain Ralf Siegerts HJ reference which exhaustively explains and shows the major to minute differences when collecting these types. Here is the link to an open thread for Ralf Siegerts reference https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/hitle...cember-229419/
On the HJ blade ricasso area has in English...Solingen Germany. This is nver encountered on period examples. Save your Money! Regards Larry
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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No, this is not a period dagger. Spurious markings, and incorrect grip and fittings are a bad sign even at a quick glance.
Wolfgang
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The Luftwaffe was not under the RZM control and did not mark their Luftwaffe daggers as such....and the use of a cheap alloy used for the fittings is obvious.....but thankyou anyway " Zsillie" as this example,, I will post into an ongoing thread " Near perfect edged weapon reproductions" Regards Larry
It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!!
- Larry C
One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C
“The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill
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Larry C
Hello General..welcome to the forum...both knives are repro..the SS dagger having a printed motto and off center is not consistent of an Eickhorn producer..as is what The RZM7/66 code refers to as a Late period dagger. The lower crossguard does not fit the grip at all and most horribly. The dagger IMO has some parts to it..this is one to stay away from. keep searching there are beter conditioned Late SS daggers to be found.
The HJ knife is modern day repro as the scabbard leather is new and the scabbard throat opening has a lip on the top of the opening.....NO HJ dagger had this. Read through some of the Threads in the HJ section of this forum and you will visually see the differences. A great investment is to obtain Ralf Siegerts HJ reference which exhaustively explains and shows the major to minute differences when collecting these types. Here is the link to an open thread for Ralf Siegerts reference
https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/hitle...cember-229419/
On the HJ blade ricasso area has in English...Solingen Germany. This is nver encountered on period examples. Save your Money! Regards Larry
Ok thank for the advices and your expertise! 
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Well Danny thx for the info, but i have a much simplified method to see if a KM dagger or Heer is ok....
I have speed dial on my cell phone...........and I just simply call......YOU
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German nazi waffen ss enlisted mans dagger genuine or fake?
. Fortunately Hörster made quite a few changes in comparison to their wartime production so once you know what to look for, this dagger can easily be identified as post war. Just look at the scabbard bands, eyelets, gripwire and pommel and compare them to an original. 
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