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    hello ,
    my friend have this RAD dagger and on the metal parts of the handle are small blisters have you seen any similar? and do you anybody what is the cause of this blisters.
    Thanks for your opinions.
    Tom
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    I've never seen one like that before?

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    I do not know german edged weapons very well but this one looks like a repro to me it seems to be lacking age and detail also the screw looks very new almost like a modern screw to me. This is just my opinion

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    For comparison one photo from Tom the other from Lakesidetrader...........any thoughts? ...I see many differences.

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    It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!! - Larry C

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    Detail is quite different but what really strikes me is the hardware.

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    Much can be said about the grip condition and the aged screws in the grip...compared to Toms example...including an obvious difference under the crossguard..as Toms example is roughly cut where as Pauls example,,, with that straight across look to it.

    take notice to the weld bead on the right side of the crossguard on top of the ball ,,on the repro.
    It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!! - Larry C

    One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C

    “The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill

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    Well,i see no problem with Toms dagger,to me it is original .
    Can we see the some picture of the crossguard from inside ?


    Stingray

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    There are several differences, I have to say. The groove on the guard that runs behind the shovel head is one of the most obvious. On Tom's posted example, the groove has a slight curving to it, while the Hogle example is straight. Also, as has been mentioned, the grip screws look dissimilar and the grip itself is noticeably newer looking than the LakesideTrader example. One expects to see a yellowing to the grip material after 7 decades, and this one is shockingly white. Another eye catching difference is the metal lower grip section with the grooves, which on Tom's is quite sharply cut and grooved whereas on the other, it is more polished and smoother. They are more slightly raised and curved than on Tom's grip.

    The question being, of course, is Tom's piece a repro? Well, one thing to consider, naturally, is that Tom's was manufactured by Krebs and Hogle's is a Wustoff. Are we looking at small differences between 2 manufacturers? Several makers produced these, and you can see many instant differences between them. For example, Whitman has an example that was made by Eickhorn. The Eagle's mouth has a glaringly different shape to the corners of it. But, Whitman's example Also shows a straight groove on the guard behind the shovel head!

    Take a look at Tom's piece-the metal, for example, has a drastically different appearance to it. It is a duller greyer color and has no luster. Is it almost totally missing it's Silver plating? The second piece -Hogle's- has a shine to it and the metal has a smooth deeper Silver appearance as it Should. But, looking at a 3rd example-the Whitman Eickhorn specimen, it has a Blackened tarnished effect-Very effectively showing the Silver plating that should be obvious on these daggers. This is Not evident on Tom's piece-it shows no traces of ever Being silvered. For an example of yet another maker, Whitman also has a specimen made by Alcoso. It's silvering on it is quite worn and look much closer to Tom's in appearance than the others mentioned, but still one can see Silvering traces, whereas on Toms, you cannot. Unfortunately,the Alcoso Too shows the straight line groove on the guard.

    If I had to give a judgement on it, I would say that this is a fairly well made repro. I think the most damning evidence that this is not a genuine dagger is the "straight line groove" as opposed to the "slightly curved groove" on the guards. Of all the examples I've been examining, Tom's is the only one that has this anomaly. The silver plating or lack of it can be explained away, and the small differences in detailing can be put to different manufacturers, but the groove on the guard cannot. Even if the grip had been replaced with a brand new grip to restore, say, a damaged one, it would not explain the guard engraving. So, sorry, but I have to give this one a thumb's down...
    William

    "Much that once was, is lost. For none now live who remember it."

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    Agreed William!!....but for Tom please bring on some more photos .......and I am open to Stingray Ivans request. I want to dig into this as much as possible. That White grip is the same material used for those Govt official repros we see also......but not the near perfect Govt daggers but the noticeably repro type. Im still thinking also....so now Mr. Tom..please if you may the ball is in your court now
    It is not the size of a Collection in History that matters......Its the size of your Passion for it!! - Larry C

    One never knows what tree roots push to the surface of what laid buried before the tree was planted - Larry C

    “The farther back you can look, the farther forward you are likely to see.” - Winston Churchill

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    Come on guys,let's wait for better pictures.
    William,the groove on the guards looks curved because i think the picture was made on bad angle.
    Also the bad light could make colors of the plating and grip little off.
    I'm still convinced that this dagger is fine.
    Please Tom ,can you make some clear pictures,thanks

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