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Article about: Talking about German edged weapon collecting we must admit that there are some items on which opinions of collectors vary. It includes first model of railway dagger, Puma marine daggers, U9,

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    Great thread den70

    interesting & very helpful, thank you



    Regards Mac 66.

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    Fatman was, and is a real period RAD hewer that appears to never have been issued. It appears James Atwood found them 'In Stock' and reissued them to the collectors market in the 1960's.
    The ones you show with a slot in the blade I consider period made. All in MHO.
    I concur with Bob Coleman.
    -wagner-

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    They were issued but likely in a limited amount. I was not aware of the Atwood connection to these. As I mentioned previously, I bought my first in a junk shop and later veteran acquired examples.
    BOB

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    I stumbled on this thread while researching this RAD EM Hewer that I recently acquired. Mine has several similar traits to the "Fatman" version shown in this post (and others), however, there are also several differences. Here are the similarities and differences that I see:

    Similarities that are also unique to the Fatman version:

    • Motto is on the reverse side of the blade, not the front, and in the same position along the blade as the Fatman.
    • The throat fitting's "figure 8" design inconsistencies match with the Fatman's design (note the inconsistent line widths of the lowest and largest (center) "tear drop")
    • The scabbard screws are the rounded type, which match to those found on the Fatman's scabbard.


    Differences from the Fatman version:

    • The blade style is that of the common RAD EM Hewer
    • There is no maker's mark on the blade whatsoever
    • The stag grip plates are not as fat (closer to a standard RAD EM Hewer)


    I'm very curious about this example, as it deviates from both the Fatman AND the standard version in a category all it's own, yet the construction, materials, finish, fit, style, attributes, etc are very consistent with the period. I don't like throwing out the word "prototype", but the lack of a makers mark leads me to believe that this is something unique, possibly a transitional version?

    Thoughts?

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    Thanks!
    Dzyner

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    Interesting Hewer there Dzyner.
    However, it has mostly features of a standard RAD. These 'odd' example with the motto on the reverse, instead of the obverse, are sometimes seen in both EM and Officer models. Some like yours with no maker marks. All of these IMHO, are period examples. Problem is, that there is no concrete documentation for their variation, or even for the wildly different 'Fatman'.
    Ron W. has a good story about being at a 'show' many years ago and a Vet walked in with a box of Em and Off. hewers, that he said he got out from a factory. In there were a couple of Fatmans, and some of these reverse blade motto hewers all in mint condition.

    -Serge (aka wagner)

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    Thanks for the reply Serge. I have an officer version as well shown in another post, also with no Makerís mark and the motto on the reverse. Iíd love for you to have a look at that one as well. Hereís the link...

    Have you encountered RAD EM and Leader daggers without makers marks?

    I read Ronís story, good stuff! Heís not the only one Iíve read about who witnessed first hand these daggers in the hands of the vets themselves. I read from another reputable source here ln the forum that he acquired a couple of these types prior to Atwoodís time and directly from veterans. Hard to doubt them with numerous first hand accounts.

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    I believe a period piece here. Just personally have not seen lack of makers marks or motto on reverse bode side on RAD Em and Leader Hewers. There I am sure is the story as to why and how this occurred we may never know. I do feel in my opinion 100% original components and that it is simply not the norm. Why? Who knows but this piece and the leader piece you posted as well do not scare me about being reproductions.


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