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Unusual Specialty Diamond---Police?

Article about: I got a number of items liberated from Bad Toelz. The cloth diamonds and the BL lapel devises were part of that haul. The diamonds indicate administration, are for an officer, but are not SS

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    It was titled that in Angolia's Cloth Insignia of the SS 1983 edition

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    CBH (and others): Here the announcement in the SS-Befehlsblatt from 1938:

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    The word SS-Junkerschulen is not included in the title, but it sounds so
    interesting!! Nothing is said about the backing, but is anyway black for the SS,
    including Waffen-SS.
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    As for the name of the school, I am aware of the designations "SS-Verwaltungsschule Dachau" ["SS Administrative School Dachau"] and later "SS-Führerschule des Verwaltungsdienstes" ["SS Officer School of the Administrative Service"] or "...des Wirtschafts-Verwaltungsdienstes" ["...of the Economic-Administrative Service"].
    In the autumn/winter of 1943, the school was relocated to Arolsen, where it resumed operations in January 1944.

    (I will gladly stand corrected if I got this wrong, as I don't have much data on the subject.)

    In any case, I don't think it was ever called a Junkerschule, as the training of officer candidates was not its mission. (In fact, the administrative officers of the W-SS had to pass through regular officer training before attending the administrative school.)

    Perhaps Angolia made a mistake due to the fact that the officer schools were originally called Führerschulen as well, before being re-designated Junkerschulen?

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    damit, basta.

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ID:	878110This is the nifty handbook that went with such service.
    damit, basta.

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    An interesting little bit of information can be found on this German language site:

    Topografie des Nationalsozialismus in Hessen : Erweiterte Suche : LAGIS Hessen

    ...It mentions that the Arolsen school also trained police officer candidates. ["Ferner erhielten auch Polizei-Offiziers-Anwärter eine gesonderte Ausbildung in Arolsen."]

    Could they have been the wearers of this patch?

    (It certainly is an odd one, not just for being undocument, but also in that all police trade badges were circular or oval.)

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    I think the term "Junkerschule" in Angolia is one of many mistakes in said book, as Wim and Andreas point out.

    I have no idea about police insignia, other than Himmler sought to have many police officers also bear SS rank, and I am less
    certain how this aspect concerned the administrative arm of the German police in detail.
    damit, basta.

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    Quote by HPL2008 View Post
    An interesting little bit of information can be found on this German language site:

    Topografie des Nationalsozialismus in Hessen : Erweiterte Suche : LAGIS Hessen

    ...It mentions that the Arolsen school also trained police officer candidates. ["Ferner erhielten auch Polizei-Offiziers-Anwärter eine gesonderte Ausbildung in Arolsen."]

    Could they have been the wearers of this patch?

    Well done, Andreas. This data fits with the documents in the price list as to the expansion of Pohl's empire in wartime.

    Wonderful research from one of our very best members!
    damit, basta.

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    Quote by HPL2008 View Post
    Could they have been the wearers of this patch? It certainly is an odd one, not just for being undocument,
    but also in that all police trade badges were circular or oval.)
    When having a look at the colored police plates (Uniform der Deutschen Polizei), Tafel I and II from June 1939 there is not a diamond
    shaped insignia, nor an oval one listed for Verwaltung. These persons were recognizable by the color bright-grey (Polizei-Verwaltungsbeamte),
    worn with the collar-patch (Vorstösse aus hellgrauem Abzeichentuch, for example "Die Bekleidungsarbeit" DAF, Nr.9 from 1938, about October).

    I checked also various other organizations, but the Verwaltungs-star upon greenish material is not mentioned (as far as I can check it at hand of
    regulations and magazine-information). Maybe a real police-expert can tell ur more!
    "Wir sollen auch unser Leben für die Brüder lassen" (1.Joh.3.16):
    zum Gedächtnis Wilhelm Schenk. Er starb fürs Vaterland am 13. Juni 1916

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    Quote by Wilhelm Saris View Post
    When having a look at the colored police plates (Uniform der Deutschen Polizei), Tafel I and II from June 1939 there is not a diamond
    shaped insignia, nor an oval one listed for Verwaltung. These persons were recognizable by the color grey (Polizei-Verwaltungsbeamte), worn with
    the collar-patch.
    Wim is right, of course.

    Just to keep it clear: I was not insinuating that a sleeve badge for administrative officers of the police had to have existed and that the patch in this thread is it.

    It was just the general observation that all of the various specialist/trade patches of the police in general [the Sonderdienstabzeichen and Laufbahnabzeichen] were circular or oval.

    From its color, it seems likely that this badge has a police connection and if that is the case, its very shape is unusual.

    A prototype or an unofficial badge, perhaps?

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