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The real reason for Rudolf Hess's flight to Britain in 1941?

Article about: by canti44 Apparently he was wearing a leather flying suit bearing the rank of Captain and 'he brought along a supply of money and toiletries, a torch, a camera, maps and charts, and a colle

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    Quote by Shadwellarmy View Post
    Hi 4thskorpion,

    nice tin-foil hat theory, except that labour party and the communist party werent exactly friends during the 30's and 40's. Dont believe that one.

    I like your no-tin-foil hat theory much better, especially seen in the light that many British politicians considered Stalin a bigger threat than the little Austrian with the moustache.

    Cheers, Mads

    At that time the Labour Party of Great was almost entirely funded and supported by the trade union movement, which was also closely involved in the pre-selection of Labour candidates in parliamentary elections, a case of “he who pays the piper”.

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    The trade union movement in turn received “sponsorship” funding to a great degree from the USSR through proxy communist organisations and trade missions whose ultimate aim was the creation of a soviet socialist state in Great Britain. This was not unique to the UK as similar communist front organisations were set up throughout Europe for the same express purpose of spreading the communist revolution abroad.

    It will be recalled that the British trade union movement as well as the communist party of Great Britain fully supported the Bolsheviks during the Polish-Bolshevik War of the 1920s by refusing to handle any cargos likely to be used by the “Polish white-guards” against Bolshevik Russia.

    The animosity between the Labour party and the communists during the 1920s was the result of "Zinoviev letter" published by the Daily Mail newspaper just before the 1924 General Election which purported to show the communists and Labour party plotting to take power, this is supposed to have scared the wider public into voting Conservative thus ousting the Labour Party out of government. However the "Zinoviev letter" was found to be a fake. As recently as 1999 the Chief Historian of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Gill Bennett concluded "it is impossible to say who wrote the Zinoviev Letter" though her best guess was that it was commissioned by White Russian intelligence circles from forgers in Berlin or the Baltic states, most likely in Riga.”.

    It was also a common practice of the “Red” press to vociferously oppose something as a public diversion for the communists supporting that which it seemed to publically oppose—a standard black propaganda tactic. This was apparent IMO after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement of August 1939, which the socialist-left seemed, outwardly, stunned to learn and was very vocal against the agreement in the “Red” press. However, and curiously, the Polish-British Common Defence Pact specifically excluded acting on aggression by the USSR so when the Red Army invaded Poland on 17 September 1939 Britain did not declare war on Stalin’s Soviet Union as it had done two weeks earlier on Hitler’s Germany. How much influence communist “moles” in the British establishment had over government policy remains a matter of conjecture.

    But one must ask if it were true “that many British politicians considered Stalin a bigger threat than the little Austrian with the moustache” then why would the threat of the Soviets as an aggressor against Poland not also have been considered and therefore included in the Polish-British Common Defence Pact given centuries of turbulent history between Poland and Russia?

    I think it would be fair to say that as many British politicians and sections of the "establishment" elite supported Hitler's Germany as did support Stalin's Soviet Russia.
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    Quote by 4thskorpion View Post
    At that time the Labour Party of Great was almost entirely funded and supported by the trade union movement, which was also closely involved in the pre-selection of Labour candidates in parliamentary elections, a case of “he who pays the piper”.
    Thank goodness such undemocratic purposes, and the means to support them are no longer practised in these enlightened times.....


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    This should be great reading!!....Peter Padfields work is very detailed..and to the point.
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    Is there any substantiated evidence that supports a non-aggression pact on the pre-condition of English Royalty retained.

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    Interesting.
    I dont know the 'truth' about Hess, but certainly much WWII info is still shrouded and left for researchers to discover.

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    I digress slightly here chaps but I was recently looking at the wrecked fuselage of Hess's Messerschmitt which now resides at the Imperial War museum at Duxford. I had no idea the remains had been saved.

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    Was Hess wearing a uniform when he was captured or civilian clothes?
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    Apparently he was wearing a leather flying suit bearing the rank of Captain and 'he brought along a supply of money and toiletries, a torch, a camera, maps and charts, and a collection of 28 different medicines, as well as dextrose tablets to help ward off fatigue and an assortment of homeopathic remedies'.

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    'A collection of 28 different medicines, as well as dextrose tablets to help ward off fatigue and an assortment of homeopathic remedies'.

    The rather large amount of medicines and homeopathic remedies suggest to me that Hess, if not more than a little 'disturbed', was at least a flaming hypochondriac.
    'I do not think we can hope for any better thing now.
    We shall stick it out to the end, but we are getting weaker of course, and the end cannot be far.
    It seems a pity, but I do not think I can write more. R. SCOTT.
    Last Entry - For God's sake look after our people.'

    In memory of Capt. Robert Falcon Scott, Edward Wilson, Henry Bowers, Lawrence Oates and Edgar Evans. South Pole Expedition, 30th March 1912.

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    Well we all know that AH was a meth-head, was Hess perhaps his 'cook'?

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