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Article about: Good morning gents, I did look to see if I could find a thread on this subject but amonst the multitude of SS dagger threads I couldn't see one In the typical "Magpie" fashion of t

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    Good morning gents,

    I did look to see if I could find a thread on this subject but amonst the multitude of SS dagger threads I couldn't see one

    In the typical "Magpie" fashion of the general miltaria collector I often find small groups of widely differing items on the periphery of my collection.

    The officers daggers of the Warsaw Pact appears to be one of those groups and my knowledge of the subject could really do with some improvement. So, I wonder if there is interest here in discussing the subject?

    Here are general images of the few that I have and if there is interest I will show detailled individual images and we can maybe all learn something;

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    My first question would be, does anyone know whether the Czech and Hungarian forces used officers daggers during the WP period? I have never seen any.

    Regards

    Mark
    PS I have belts to go with all except the Polish ones. Any Ideas?
    Last edited by Watchdog; 06-12-2019 at 12:15 PM. Reason: ps
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    I put an NVA dagger (in velvet lined wooden presentation case, and complete with engraved inscription) on here a while ago Mark, but apart from the few DDR collectors on here, it attracted little attention. The daggers (and belts) do appear on 'eBay de' in spite of the rules, but they are stripped of the blades - or blades hidden, and sold as 'parts'... although you do get the blade with them.

    Cheers,
    Steve
    Author of... 'Belfast Diaries: A Gunner In Northern Ireland'... 'A Tough Nut To Crack: Andersonstown.. Voices From 9 Battery Royal Artillery In Northern Ireland'... 'An Accrington Pal: The Diaries of Pte Jack Smallshaw, September 1914 To March 1919'.... 'A Salford Pal: Pte Thomas Jay.'

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    Quote by HARRY THE MOLE View Post
    I put an NVA dagger (in velvet lined wooden presentation case, and complete with engraved inscription) on here a while ago Mark, but apart from the few DDR collectors on here, it attracted little attention. The daggers (and belts) do appear on 'eBay de' in spite of the rules, but they are stripped of the blades - or blades hidden, and sold as 'parts'... although you do get the blade with them.

    Cheers,
    Steve
    Hi Steve, yes I saw your dagger and was quite envious when you recounted how you came by it especially when I recalled the markets of Berin circa 1990!!
    I have noted the ebay.de ads selling the daggers "without blade" and had assumed the it was a method of circumvention of the hypocritical policies there.

    Let's see if we can provoke some debate here!

    Regards

    Mark
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares more about than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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    Quote by Watchdog View Post
    My first question would be, does anyone know whether the Czech and Hungarian forces used officers daggers during the WP period? I have never seen any.

    Regards

    Mark
    I honestly don't recall them either but I would have assumed as part of the old Warsaw Pact that items such as officers daggers might have been produced by a limited number of companies and made available to the various countries made up of the old SU?

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    Quote by BlackCat1982 View Post
    I honestly don't recall them either but I would have assumed as part of the old Warsaw Pact that items such as officers daggers might have been produced by a limited number of companies and made available to the various countries made up of the old SU?
    Granted it does seem inconsistent but during my service we were exposed to all kinds of NATO publications on the subject which did include the dress uniforms of all the WP nations (don't know why because if we ever saw parade uniforms it would be all over wouldn't it?) and I don't recall seeing daggers on Czech or Hungarian uniforms either then or since. Pre WP yes but not during the WP period.

    As for the therory of a select number of contracted firms servicing all of the WP nations I think that is unlikely as most personal kit as far as I have seen (odd exceptions like the DDR/Polish para helmet notwithstanding) all seems to be made "in house" and the international standardisation seems to be confined to big stuff such as vehs, armour, aircraft, artillery etc. The daggers I have in my collection whilst not all maker maked certainly appear to be made by different industries.

    I don't know the answer but I am sure there is one and I will bet that somebody knows which is why I started this thread!

    So, come on lads. Let's find out!

    Regards

    Mark
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing he cares more about than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature with no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

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