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German dogtag - What a coincidence !

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    Hey guys

    Couldn't wait to show you this !!!

    I was rearranging my relics cupboard to allow more space for my recent finds when I noticed something i simply don't KNOW how i missed before !

    Remember about 8 weeks back I first posted about finding a German dogtag on the communal site of the airfield I search......and then I posted twice more with the latest post showing you I had found 3 quarters of dogtags a week ago, two of which matched ? And Ade found out which regiment & company it was from ?

    WELL !! You ain't gonna believe this !!! The first fragment I found.......


    Have a butchers yourselves !!!

    AMAZING !!!!

    Look at the 4 and the 2.....the edges are in the other piece which, when put together, makes the number whole !

    It reads.....

    A NR 493.
    2. L.E.BTL. 243.

    Does this now make it identifiable ? Hope so

    Steve T
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    Great luck you have, now you must find the bottom half
    of the EKM

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    Hi Steve, that is great!

    I don't understand some of the markings on the tag. The "NR" in front of the mans roll number has me confused, but I should add that I am not a tag collector.

    However, "A" is the man's blood group.

    Cheers, Ade.

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    Ostmark - I'll give it a go ! Going back next Saturday.....this time with my son and a second Metal detector.....Double finds !

    Ade - Thanks I couldn't work out the NR either. At first i thought it could be short for 'Number' but then I remembered it was a German dogtag.....Number is 'zahl' in German isn't it ?

    Steve T

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    Hi Steve, I have had a think and a look at one of my books. How about 2 Kompanie / Landesschützen-Ersatz-Bataillon 243.

    I am open to correction on this (as in all things)

    BTW Nummer is also number in German so that could fit.

    Cheers, Ade.

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    Hi Guys
    Brilliant luck!!!
    This photo was posted by another member and also shows NR... So probably Nummer as mentioned!
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    Nice one Dan !

    And Ade.....that is certainly a possibility. Ersatz = Replacement ? My German is kinda rusty Landesscutzen is 'national' something or other

    Told you it was rusty

    Steve T

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    Hi Steve, the way the German Army was organised was much more complex that that of the Allies. It can be a nightmare to understand.

    Landesschützen were basically reserve units. So IF I am correct, the tag would be for a reserve replacement unit.

    One of the problems with German dog tags too is an often lack of overall standardisation with the way a tag can be marked. Units basically did things their own way within a loose framework.

    Cheers, Ade.

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    My hunch is like yours and Ade's.......short for 'nummer'

    Steve T

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    While Typically "NR" means "Nacrichts Regiment" and "Nr" means number in standard German abbreviations, seems the stamper of this tag only had capital letters. Now looking at the whole thing, I can say the NR 493 is the guys personal number,

    2. L.E.BTL. 243 is the second light Battalion of the 243 infantry division-
    243. Infanterie-Division was formed July 1943 by the redesignation of Division B which had been undergoing formation from convalescents of the 387. Infanterie-Division. The division was largely destroyed in June 1944 defending the Cotentin peninsula. The remnants fought on as a Kampfgruppe until the division was formally disbanded 12 Sep 1944.

    Generalmajor Hermann von Witzleben (? Aug 1943 - 10 Jan 1944)
    Generalleutnant Heinz Hellmich (10 Jan 1944 - 17 June 1944) (KIA) (1)
    Generalmajor Bernhard Klosterkemper (17 June 1944 - 26 Sep 1944)

    Operations Officers (Ia)
    Hauptmann Dahman (1943)
    Major Erhard Gemmrig (1 Feb 1944-5 Sep 1944)

    Area of operations
    Austria (Aug 1943 - Oct 1943)
    France (Oct 1943 - Sep 1944)

    Order of battle (1944)
    Grenadier-Regiment 920
    Grenadier-Regiment 921
    Grenadier-Regiment 922
    Artillerie-Regiment 243
    Pionier-Bataillon 243
    Panzerjäger-Abteilung 243
    Nachrichten-Abteilung 243
    Feldersatz-Bataillon 243
    Versorgungseinheiten 243

    Attached Heerestruppe:
    Panzer-Abteilung 206 (equipped with 20 x Hotchkiss H-39, 10 x Somua S-35, 2 x Renault R-35, 6 x Renault Char B1 bis)

    1. Heinz Hellmich was killed 17 June 1944 by a strafing Allied fighter plane.

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