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    Hi, pics of my first German ID tag. Wow, I did not think they were so large. These really are a big, very odd to me. I show a pic with a Japanese WW2 dog tag for comparison.

    Very nice, I like it. I also have a couple zinc type ID tags on the way. I ran all of them through here already, and they seemed to good ones.

    I would like to know exactly what is on this tag. It was stated it is for a replacement soldier in a rocket launcher crew or division, battalion???

    Why is there no blood group type on it? Some did not have them and I wonder why.

    Is it unusual that the letters are all stamped the same direction?? Most I see have them stamped differently, one would be upside down when looking at it.

    Were Rocket launchers a common German weapon??? I do not recall seeing many. I have seen rocket launcher weapons in the Eastern front & Operation Barbarossa.

    Thanks for any help in advance.
    Regards, Steve
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    Neb. should stand for Nebel, smoke, so it could be for a rocket launcher crew or division, battalion.

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    7-th Nebel(werfer?) Ersatz Abteilung, 1-st Kompanie

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    Quote by appie View Post
    Neb. should stand for Nebel, smoke, so it could be for a rocket launcher crew or division, battalion.
    Hi Appie, yes, that is what i thought also like a "nebel"handgrannate a smoke grenade.

    Maybe someone will know for sure. I hope so.

    Regards, Steve

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    It's worth to mention tah "Ersatz" units were those built up in the rear areas in the garrisons, then sent to the front as replacement for losses. There weren't "ersatz" named units of the front, but the solider usually kept the dog tag he got during training, and probably carried a dog tag of "Ersatz" unit till the end.

    Why there's no blood group and why both texts are the same line? It might be a mistake (double?) or they simply didn't have the blood group of this particular soldier. The text (letters etc.) looks good, but I'm not familiar enough with dog tags to tell you how possible/often were such mistakes.

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    Thanks fellows. Great information. I think I read somewhere that the Germans used big smoke generating machines for hiding troop movements etc. Maybe that is what Neb. means in this instance? What do you think? Nebel means smoke or fog in German.

    Regards, Steve

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    Nebelwerfers were 6 barrelled rocket launchers which could fire smoke and also high explosive rockets , they were first used in action in Russia during the early days of Operation Barbarrosa.
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    Hello,
    Your Erkennungsmarke is the 185th issued within the 1st battery of Nebel Ersatz Abteilung 7.
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    Strange, but 10 cm Mortar is also called Nb
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    Hi Steve,

    The tag is, as said, for'Nebel' replacement battalion 7. 'Nebel' was used in the sense of 'Smoke defence' or 'Chemical warfare' earlier in the war before it became realised that this was not a road the war was taking.

    The battalion was originally founded in May 1940 as a training battalion in Munster.There were in total 3 batteries, of which your tag appears to be no.1. There were several types of Nebelwerfers used during the war, but 7 appear to have used exclusivley the 15cm-41 model shown below in training and in action in Italy.

    I'm not entirely 100% on this bit, but i think they may have fought on the north east part of the Stalingrad sector, with a very few escaping to eventually surrender on the banks of the Danube nearly 2 years later.Sorry for being so vague!!

    Regards,Ned.
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