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Article about: by Stacez Matt, you have to distinguish a replacement unit and a combat unit. If there is any Ersatz Kompanie it always belongs to the replacement unit (battalion, regiment etc.). It's not a

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    Default Re: No Regiment or Battailon ID?

    Quote by Stacez View Post
    Matt, you have to distinguish a replacement unit and a combat unit. If there is any Ersatz Kompanie it always belongs to the replacement unit (battalion, regiment etc.). It's not a part of the combat unit! In this case it will be for sure Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon 39.
    Oh? And what about this:

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    A field unit having its own directly-associated Ersatz section. That's not Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon 22. From everything I've ever read, an Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon is not solely associated only with the Regiment of the same number, but rather with a Division; IEB 10, for example, is listed as supplying replacement troops to the 4. Infanterie-Division. But this discs seems to suggest replacements would be for IR22 alone, no?

    Coming back to our MGEK7, sorry, but I don't agree. I'll give similar example because the same story works for the specific companies belonging to Infanterie-Ersatz-Regiment, for instance: Infanterie-Geschütz-Ersatz-Kompanie or Panzer-Jäger-Ersatz-Kompanie. You can find many ID tags with only one number written after abbreviation of this company and it doesn't mean it's independent company. It's related to the typical structure of this infantry replacement regiment in which these companies had always 13 and 14 numbers accordingly.
    You disagree with me saying the evidence is all circumstantial? Really? You do realize your further example is also simply circumstantial right? Indeed Infanterie (specialist) Ersatz-Kompanien were part of an Infanterie-Ersatz-Regiment of the same number, but that's demonstrable- there's proof of that.

    If you go to another forums and either ask about this MGEK 7 or try to find alike case you will receive the same answer I gave here.
    MGEK 7 - Militaria Fundforum
    Forum der Wehrmacht | Einheiten des Heeres | 15. / J.N.E.K. 246
    Will they provide any actual evidence though? Just because everyone says something is true doesn't make it so- how many people you ask is irrelevant. I've been unable to offer clear proof of any possibility- have you any?

    Never mind. Me, I prefer not to make statements of fact when there's only circumstantial evidence for something or if there are questions about it. The most that can be said is it seems likely.
    Last edited by Matt L; 11-19-2010 at 06:25 PM.
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    Default Re: No Regiment or Battailon ID?

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    Oh? And what about this:
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    A field unit having its own directly-associated Ersatz section. That's not Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon 22.
    Really Matt L?! Sorry, but you are not right and please do not say such things as a Moderator because some people here might believe it's a truth . The inscription doesn't mislead and doesn't say that EB is directly attached to IR 22. It indicates only a relation between replacement and field unit. This disc belonged to Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon 22 which was replacement unit for the Infanterie-Regiment 22. This is the way it should be read and this is only replacement battalion affiliated with this regiment. Maybe you know another one? Can you show? I bet you can't as long as there was only one which is shown on the disc you attached.

    If you still have any objections, please take a look here:
    Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon 22 - Lexikon der Wehrmacht
    What IR you can see in IEB 22 responsibilities?

    And one link more:
    Infanterieregiment 22 - Lexikon der Wehrmacht
    Please tell me what Ersatz Bataillon is depicted as a replacement unit? Can you see any "own directly-associated Ersatz section" in this regiment structure? I have never heard such unbelievable things before...

    Quote by Matt L View Post
    From everything I've ever read, an Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon is not solely associated only with the Regiment of the same number, but rather with a Division; IEB 10, for example, is listed as supplying replacement troops to the 4. Infanterie-Division. But this discs seems to suggest replacements would be for IR22 alone, no?
    It wasn't organized like that. Most of the replacement infantry regiments (not battalions) bore the numbers of active divisions.
    Each field unit (in our case I mean infantry regiment) had its "own" replacement battalion but it was separate unit responsible not only for this regiment but for more infantry regiments from its military district. Replacement battalion may also be responsible for the headquarters companies of subordinate administrative headquarters in occupied territories, administrative units of prisoner of war camps, railway station headquarters, and fortress battalions etc. And you can find some of these in example you provided. Quoting FdW you can see what units IEB 10 was exactly responsible for:

    Stäbe: IV. Armeekorps; 9. Armee; 164. Infanterie-Division; Kommandeur der Ersatztruppen 400; Korück 582; Ortskommandantur 703; Ortskommandantur 714; Kreiskommandantur 790;

    Infanterie-Regimenter: 10
    So, I propose to read some more reliable sources...

    Quote by Matt L View Post
    You disagree with me saying the evidence is all circumstantial? Really? You do realize your further example is also simply circumstantial right? Indeed Infanterie (specialist) Ersatz-Kompanien were part of an Infanterie-Ersatz-Regiment of the same number, but that's demonstrable- there's proof of that.
    I'm really happy you think in the same way at least here.

    Quote by Matt L View Post
    Will they provide any actual evidence though? Just because everyone says something is true doesn't make it so- how many people you ask is irrelevant.
    For me it's obvious if I see such MGEK disc that it belonged to fourth machine-gun replacement company of infantry replacement battalion. Alike are being read some specific replacement companies discs (stamped similarly) from infantry replacement regiment. It's just natural...
    If more and more people are saying in different historical forums the same about this it might be true. You're the only one who disagree without giving any good example to proof your theory...

    Quote by Matt L View Post
    Never mind. Me, I prefer not to make statements of fact when there's only circumstantial evidence for something or if there are questions about it. The most that can be said is it seems likely.
    If you can still live like this it's fine for me. In such case I have no problem and I'm happy that I know to what unit it really belonged to.
    Last edited by Stacez; 11-20-2010 at 06:04 PM.

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