Pol. Sch. R. 1 Id tag
Wondering if someone could chime in on this one --- the disc says Pol. Sch. R. 1 which I'm guessing translates to Polizei-Schützen-Regiment 1. The only info I could find right now was that this regiment was under the 4th SS Polizei Panzergrenadier Division. Would this be correct or am I mixing things up here?
Either way, if it's not good in the first place it doesn't really matter. I've compared to some of the "common fake fonts" posted on here and found some similarities... such as in the letters "P" and "L". But, then again, I'm not sure what actual good ones of this type look like either so I am a bit stumped... any input appreciated!!
12-18-2014 02:13 PM
It's inexpensive so I could take the risk anyway but, like I said, any info on the tag or the unit itself would be most appreciated
Some info I've found on this unit:
4. SS-Polizei-Panzergrenadier-Division was formed in October 1940 from members of the Ordnungspolizei (regular police) that was conscripted into the unit, Heinrich Himmler admitted in a speech to Waffen-SS officers that they were "neither National Socialists nor SS men" (1), with additions of units from the Heer, including the artillery regiment that was transferred from the 228. Infanterie-Division. It was used for occupation duties in Poland before seeing some action in the invasion of France were it took part as a reserve unit in the fighting at the Maginot Line. It fought on the northern sector of the Eastern front after the German invasion of the USSR, taking part in the advance towards Leningrad and later in the battles of Lake Ladoga.
It was transferred to the Balkans in 1943 were it was used for anti-partisan duties in Greece and the Banat before being withdrawn to Slovakia in January 1945 and then on to the Danzig area. It was evacuated by sea in April and fought on the Oder front north of Berlin and surrendered to US forces in May.
Order of battle (1939)
(in some sources listed as Polizei-Infanterie-Regiment 1
Aufgestellt am 15. Oktober 1942 aus dem Polizei-Schützen-Regiment 1
der Ordnungspolizei. Das Regiment unterstand der SS-Polizei-Division und wurde am 1. Februar 1943 in SS-Polizei-Grenadier-Regiment 1
Order of battle (early 1943)
SS-Grenadier-Regiment 1 (Pol.-Div.)
SS-Grenadier-Regiment 2 (Pol.-Div.)
SS-Grenadier-Regiment 3 (Pol.-Div.)
Bumping this to see if anyone has thoughts they'd like to share--
The disk is a bit fishy in the "14/" is not a company or a battalion it is too high, so what is it? Just looking at it I would think it was Ok but after some research I think it is a fantasy formation.
Thank you for chiming in, Eike!
I also found that number to be very high, so I fully understand your suspicion, but a memoir listing the organization of the SS Polizei Division mentions that Polizei-Schützen-Regiment 1, by then renamed 1st SS Polizei Grenadier Regiment, did indeed have a 14th company by Feb. 1943. So did the 2nd and 3rd SS Polizei Grenadier Regiments as well. I sourced this info from Die guten glaubens waren (1971) by Friedrich Husemann
The tag was seemingly found on the Slovenian -Austrian border which would fit with this unit's late 44 - early 45 movements. I was more fishing for opinions on the font etc... from your comment I take it the font looks good?
If that is the case, and it was a company added well after the SS incorporated the police why does it not say SS anywhere? that stands out as well. I don't really like the font or dislike it, I would have to see the decay in hand to be sure but it looks appropriately old in the pictures.
I just figure that this is an "early" disk, as stamped before the unit was renamed, that belonged to a soldier enrolled sometime between 1939 -Oct. '42. I really only added that info to show that the "14th" company thing itself was no grounds to dismiss the disk alone.
Either way, I feel more assured now that you've commented somewhat positively re. the general looks etc. I found this same font on another Polizei Division tag but that one was a later type bearing the SS runes. Thanks again for your input!
Last edited by slados28; 12-24-2014 at 03:00 AM.
Reason: wrong year/date
Also, just want to add that this was neither offered nor sold as any type of SS tag... I only discovered the connection after it was offered to me, among other good tags, as a relatively cheap Polizei disc.