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Article about: Thanks Matt! I am going ahead and purchasing this one, I wont blame you if it does turnup as a fake hihihi. I will send you a clearer pic when it arrives. This will be my second one, my firs

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    Hi Guys, hope my photo upload works have been battling! Anyway what is your opinion on this SS tag, its inscription looses a bit towards the end. Please give me your opinions and maybe some info on the unit. PS if the image does not show, please follow the link, sorry

    1/SS-Pi Ers B (then it looks like a 11) there is also "A" marked with nr 1103.

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    Ok sorry, I am really making a mess tonight, I have duplicated the thread and still cant get the pic up!
    Anyway here is the link Fotoshack© - Free Image Hosting.

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    I think I have done it!

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    Gareth
    maybe-1/SS-Pionier Ersatz Batalion?

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    Thanks axtdn, was there a unit like that?

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    Gareth
    see here-Das Dritte Reich -
    and so on.

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    Yup, the SS-Pionier-Ersatz-Bataillon was the primary replacement unit for Waffen-SS Pionier units; unlike the Heer, which was many, many times larger, the Waffen-SS often had a single source for specialist replacements, like this one or the SS-Flak-Ersatz-Abteilung. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much of anything in the way of information about the unit save that it was created in Dresden in 1939, and in April 1943 it was split into three: SS-Pionier-Ausbildungs-und Ersatz-Bataillone 1, 2 and 3 (when more replacements were needed as the war progressed). So the disc, if real, was issued prior to 4. 43.

    The picture is too small and unclear to say for sure if the disc is real, but fakers don't often do simple Ersatz units, so that's a good start. And the blood group letter looks different and differently stamped (more denting) than the rest, which is also positive. The wear on the neck cord holes, if real, is further help- but overall a larger, clearer photo is necessary for proper evaluation.
    Ohhhhh- pillage then burn...

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    Thanks guys for the comments! Matt thank you so much for the detailed reply, I see you have remarkable knowledge on this subject, thank you! This is biggest I can get the photo,


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    Hi Guys I have uploaded a bigger photo, someone mentioned the SS ruins at the bottom of the disc is made of 1s and therefore suspect, what's your opinion?

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    No problem Gareth, that's what I'm here for Too bad the picture isn't clearer, but the larger size does help some.

    The wear on the neck cord holes doesn't look obviously artificial, but it's hard to be sure. Another thing I notice that I like is that the serial number is made up of different-sized numbers; that is to say the '1' is from a different stamp set than the '03', and is different than that which made the Kompanie number- fakers usually use one single stamp set for everything. So no repeated use of a number (or letter) is good. The blood group letter is again different and clearly more deeply-stamped than the rest, as if it were done by a different person than made the rest of the disc- which was the case in reality (often they're much more 'dented'). The corrosion doesn't look obviously chemically-induced, and looks real enough- although that's hard to say with any certainty; at best it's just helpful when there are many other positive features already.

    I don't see anything wrong with the Sigrunen. They're not composites. I think whomever said one was different on the bottom was mistaking a patch of corrosion for the short middle section- it makes that look lower down, but it's an illusion. Even just logically it makes no sense for the top to be a perfect, proper stamp and the bottom not- did the supposed faker lose his stamp between marking them? I was fooled for a moment by the first '1' of the serial number at the bottom- it appeared that it was different than the first but that didn't make sense; I then saw that it was the corrosion pattern that made it appear so, and that the number really was fine.

    I know of one really good fake SS-Pionier disc, but it doesn't match this one. So overall, I'd have to say, lacking a clearer photo, I don't see anything obviously wrong with this disc.
    Ohhhhh- pillage then burn...

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