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03-17-2016 04:36 AM
# ADS
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The Prussian one is a war veteran's membership badge with a 25 year kyffhaeuser attachment at the top.
The other two look like shooting club medals but that's only my opinion, I have nothing to back it up. Hopefully someone else can confirm whether they are or not.
I always thought Pfand had something to do with a pawn shop (Pfandhaus), I wonder what it means on the medals?
Tony
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ynot
The Prussian one is a war veteran's membership badge with a 25 year kyffhaeuser attachment at the top.
The other two look like shooting club medals but that's only my opinion, I have nothing to back it up. Hopefully someone else can confirm whether they are or not.
I always thought Pfand had something to do with a pawn shop (Pfandhaus), I wonder what it means on the medals?
Correct.
The term Pfand is used in shooting competitions of a certain traditional type, in which the target has the shape of a bird (usually an eagle), whose individual elements (head, tail, left and right wing etc.) have to be hit in a specific sequence. These elements are called Pfand (plural Pfänder), the competitions are called Pfänderschießen.
The medals are for the first prize in the 1928 and 1931 shooting competitions held at Brauweiler near Cologne. (No military- or WW1 connection.)
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HPL2008
Correct.
The term Pfand is used in shooting competitions of a certain traditional type, in which the target has the shape of a bird (usually an eagle), whose individual elements (head, tail, left and right wing etc.) have to be hit in a specific sequence. These elements are called Pfand (plural Pfänder), the competitions are called Pfänderschießen.
The medals are for the first prize in the 1928 and 1931 shooting competitions held at Brauweiler near Cologne. (No military- or WW1 connection.)
Thanks for confirming my thoughts and for explaining the meaning of Pfand.
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Thank you so much for shinning some light on these for me. This helps a lot. I wonder why these 2 medals were in with all the other ww1 and 2 medals and these being not military related. With all the various medals in the tin can.
Since the 3rd veterans 25 year of service medal was given why wouldn't these 2 not be military related?
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theinvester
Thank you so much for shinning some light on these for me. This helps a lot. I wonder why these 2 medals were in with all the other ww1 and 2 medals and these being not military related. With all the various medals in the tin can.
Since the 3rd veterans 25 year of service medal was given why wouldn't these 2 not be military related?
Do you know if they were all awarded to the same person? If so, who's to say that he was not a WW1 vet who then joined shooting competitions in the 20's/30's? Maybe it was a grouping of Father/Son since some medals were from WW1 and others were from WW2. Or maybe he served in both wars.
Unless there was some provenance/story that these came from, there are endless theories as to why they were all together.
M
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theinvester
Since the 3rd veterans 25 year of service medal was given why wouldn't these 2 not be military related?
Because they simply aren't.
One is a pin for 25 years membership in a veteran's association (not 25 years of service in the military) and the other two for local shooting competitions. (Civilian shooting competitions.)
None are military, trust me on this one.
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HPL2008
Because they simply aren't.
One is a pin for 25 years membership in a veteran's association (not 25 years of service in the military) and the other two for local shooting competitions. (Civilian shooting competitions.)
None are military, trust me on this one.
Absolutely, and no mystery here to my mind.
I understand the almost natural assumption of those unfamiliar with such items that these have a military connection as I certainly have seen many included amongst the ephemera and souvenirs of military men. However, as HPL2008 says there is no actual military link other than possibly a cultural one.
As I recall from my time living in Germany most towns that originated independantly rather than out of larger cities, many of the size we in the UK would call villages, have something known as a Schutzverein. In English we would call this a shooting association and these originate in medieval times as a kind of local defence force or militia and survive today as social groups centred on the shooting sports. As such they tend to have festivals each year a bit like our village fetes. The homes of the association officials are usually decorated with military sounding titles such as "Hochleben (or is it Hochsitz? I can't really remember) der Adjutant / Major / Leutnant (hope I have recalled those correctly) but again none of these have any connection to military service. At festival times the whole town is decorated in typical style with flowers and ribbon and processions with association members in costume with bands etc take place. Very colourful, culturally relevant and (certainly during my time there) viewed with great respect by the people in general. All grounded in culture and history but definately not military. Similar associations exist in Austria, Switzerland and parts of Belgium (even the USA and other countries with ethnic German communities I believe).
In terms of collecting I would put these in the same category as Freemasons "Masonic Jewels" which also have the appearance of medals.
I hope this is helpful and not too far "off the mark" to use a shooting term
Regards
Mark
Last edited by Watchdog; 03-19-2016 at 10:56 AM.
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Mark has described the tradition, nature and relevance of such shooting associations very well.
Practically every German small town or village has or used to have a veterans' association [Kriegerverein], a shooting club [Schützenverein] and a volunteer fire brigade [Freiwillige Feuerwehr].
Nowadays, they often struggle to find new members, but back in the Imperial/Weimar/Third Reich days and the early post-war decades, these organizations were extremely important for community life, and in villages/rural areas just about every adult male was a member of at least one of them.
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