41st Welsh regiment officers red tunic

[Jerry B]

Pre WWI officers red tunic for a major W. M. Hore of the 41st regiment of foot, The Welsh, it would date from between 1857 when this type was introduced and as the tailors label has the address of Hawkes & co at 14 Piccadilly it must date to before 1911 when the they moved to 1 Saville Row.

The sellers pics but I can pick it up directly from him tomorrow after work and I have seen it in the hand last week. The tunic has one stain and a few holes as well as a worn patch, but is not bad for its over 100 years age. It also comes with the trousers, which are badly mothed in a few places. They are not named but are said to be his and are of the correct pattern.

[Eric Zentner]

Very attractive item hope you get it Jerry.

Eric

[Jerry B]

Very attractive item hope you get it Jerry.

Eric

Thanks Eric, it is mine, I just have to pick it up.

[Eric Zentner]

For 100 years old the moths have been very kind IMO.

Eric.

[Jerry B]

For 100 years old the moths have been very kind IMO.

Eric.

Indeed Eric, not too bad, though I have a blue tunic from the same period which has no mothing.

With regards to this one, the officers collars of this type were introduced in 1909 and as I mentioned earlier the tailors moved to new premises in 1911 or 1912, so it was made in that few year period just prior to the start of WWI.

I have it at home now.

[Tango]

Just treat it gentley Jerry otherwise all sorts could drop off.....It looks pretty impressive ... was it used for everyday use or parades??.. Cheers Terry.

[thorne83]

Hi Jerry,

done a little 'digging' for you. Hope it's of use!

Cheers, Tom


Walter Mark Hore, born 1882 in Belper, Derbyshire.

LG 25th February 1902 – 3rd Bn, Princess Charlotte of Wales’s (Royal Berks Regt). The undermentioned 2nd Lts to be Lt. Dated 26th February 1902.

LG, 16th May 1902 - “2nd Lt Walter Mark Hore, from 3rd Bn, The Princess Charlotte of Wale’s (Royal Berks Regiment), in succession to Lt L I O Robias, promoted”.

LG, 20 January 1905 - “2nd Lt W M Hore, The Welsh Regiment to be Lt, vice C L Veal, promoted. Dated 29th November 1904”.
UK outgoing passenger lists show that he left England, 27th March 1909, on board the SS Durham Castle, for South Africa. He is listed as a ‘Lieutenant’.

1911 census shows him as resident at ‘Llanion Barracks’, St Mary, Pembroke Dock. He is stated as Lieutenant, unmarried, aged 28 and serving with 2nd Bn, The Welsh Regt.

Walter M Hore married Lucy M Anning, last quarter of 1915 in Cardiff district.

LG, 22nd June 1915 – Capt W M Hore, 2nd Bn, The Welsh Regt is mentioned in dispatches.

LG, 9th February 1917 – Welsh Regt. Capt W M Hore is placed on the hp list on account of ill health contracted on active service, 11th February 1917.

LG 2nd March 1917 – Capt F W Ford, Welsh Regt, to be Adjutant, vice Capt W M Hore, 28th December 1916.

LG, 11th May 1917 – Capt W M Hore from hp list is restd to estabt, 5th March 1917, with precedence next above C A H Longcroft.

LG 16th July 1917 – Welsh Regt. Capt W M Hore to be Major 3rd March 1917.

LG 21st August 1917 – Capt W M Hore to be Mahor, 5th March 1917 with seniority from 18th January 1917 (substituted for the notification in the gazette of 16th July 1917).

LG, 2ND July 1918 – Major W M Hore (Welsh Regt) to be acting Lt Col whilst commanding a battalions, 24th May 1918.

LG, 30th August 1918 – Major (acting Lt Col) W M Hore (Welsh Regt) relinquishes acting rank of Lt Col on ceasing to command Bn, 27th July 1918.

UK outgoing passenger lists show that he left England, 8th September 1922 for Bombay, India on the SS Margha. At the time he was 39years old and address given as St Marye Hill, Tenby. Profession – army.

UK incoming passenger list shows that he arrived in UK, 9th April 1925 onboard the SS Mandala, from India.

LG, 27th November 1928 – Major W M Hore to be Lt Col, 28th November 1928.

LG, 29th November 1932 – Lt Col W M Hore (Welsh Regt), on completion of his period of service in command is placed on the hp list, 28th November 1932.

LG, 30th May 1933 – Lt Col W M Hore (Welsh Regiment), ret. pay to be Lt Col, 28th May 1933, with seniority 27th September 1928.

Walter Mark Hore died 28th November 1942. His probate record states “of Treffgarne Hall, Treffgarne, Pembrokeshire. Probate Llandudno, 2nd April, to Lucy Mabel Hore, widow.

[thorne83]

Mic..

[Jerry B]

From the london Gazette 1902, his name is Walter Mark Hore and is listed as transferring to the Welsh Regiment from the Royal Berks. Also have his gazetting as a 2nd Lt with the Berks in Feb 1902, whilst his transfer to the Welsh took place in May 1902.

3rd Battalion, Princess Charlotte of Wales's {Royal Berkshire Regiment), Lieutenant F. C. Mitchell to be Captain. Dated 26th February, 1902. The undermentioned Second Lieutenants to be
Lieutenants: —
R. P. Routh. Dated 26th February, 1902.
W. M. Hore. Dated 26th February, 1902.

The Welsh Regiment, Second Lieutenant Walter Mark Hore. from 3rd Battalion the Princess Charlotte of Wales's (Royal Berkshire Regiment), in succession to Lieutenant L. I. 0. Robins, promoted.

then this from may 1917

Welsh R.—Capt. W. M. Hore, from h.p. List, is restd. to estabt. 5th Mar. 1917, with precedence next above C. A. H. Longcroft.

and July 1917

Welsh E.—Capt. W. M. Hore to be Maj. 3rd Mar. 1917, with seniority from 18th Jan. 1917 next below J. E. C. Partridge.

Oct 1918

ESTABLISHMENTS.
The undermentioned temp, appts. are
made: —
ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE.
Officer of a Co, of Gentlemen Cadets.—Maj.W. M. Hore, Welsh R. 21st Sept. 1918.

and then June 1919. much the same again

ESTABLISHMENTS.
ROYAL MILITARY COLLEGE.
The •undermentioned temp, appt is=
made: —
Officer o<f a Co. of Gentlemen Cadets.—Capt. R.R. Taylor, K.O. Sco. Bord., vice Maj. W.M. Hore, Welsh R. 16th June 1919.


Still a work in progress.

A summary so far, 2nd LT in February 1902 with the Royal Berkshire Regiment, then transferred in May 1902 to the Welsh Regiment, then a gap until May 1917 when he is listed as a Captain, then promoted to Major to take effect from January 1917, then September 1918 he is appointed as an officer of a company of Cadets at the Royal Military College then he is a Vice Major at the same establishment in June 1919.

[Jerry B]

Cheers Tom, I was doing the same earlier and stopped part way through writing it for food, just posted as far as I had got and found you have completed it all.

Many thanks.

Hi Jerry,

done a little 'digging' for you. Hope it's of use!

Cheers, Tom


Walter Mark Hore, born 1882 in Belper, Derbyshire.

LG 25th February 1902 – 3rd Bn, Princess Charlotte of Wales’s (Royal Berks Regt). The undermentioned 2nd Lts to be Lt. Dated 26th February 1902.

LG, 16th May 1902 - “2nd Lt Walter Mark Hore, from 3rd Bn, The Princess Charlotte of Wale’s (Royal Berks Regiment), in succession to Lt L I O Robias, promoted”.

LG, 20 January 1905 - “2nd Lt W M Hore, The Welsh Regiment to be Lt, vice C L Veal, promoted. Dated 29th November 1904”.
UK outgoing passenger lists show that he left England, 27th March 1909, on board the SS Durham Castle, for South Africa. He is listed as a ‘Lieutenant’.

1911 census shows him as resident at ‘Llanion Barracks’, St Mary, Pembroke Dock. He is stated as Lieutenant, unmarried, aged 28 and serving with 2nd Bn, The Welsh Regt.

Walter M Hore married Lucy M Anning, last quarter of 1915 in Cardiff district.

LG, 22nd June 1915 – Capt W M Hore, 2nd Bn, The Welsh Regt is mentioned in dispatches.

LG, 9th February 1917 – Welsh Regt. Capt W M Hore is placed on the hp list on account of ill health contracted on active service, 11th February 1917.

LG 2nd March 1917 – Capt F W Ford, Welsh Regt, to be Adjutant, vice Capt W M Hore, 28th December 1916.

LG, 11th May 1917 – Capt W M Hore from hp list is restd to estabt, 5th March 1917, with precedence next above C A H Longcroft.

LG 16th July 1917 – Welsh Regt. Capt W M Hore to be Major 3rd March 1917.

LG 21st August 1917 – Capt W M Hore to be Mahor, 5th March 1917 with seniority from 18th January 1917 (substituted for the notification in the gazette of 16th July 1917).

LG, 2ND July 1918 – Major W M Hore (Welsh Regt) to be acting Lt Col whilst commanding a battalions, 24th May 1918.

LG, 30th August 1918 – Major (acting Lt Col) W M Hore (Welsh Regt) relinquishes acting rank of Lt Col on ceasing to command Bn, 27th July 1918.

UK outgoing passenger lists show that he left England, 8th September 1922 for Bombay, India on the SS Margha. At the time he was 39years old and address given as St Marye Hill, Tenby. Profession – army.

UK incoming passenger list shows that he arrived in UK, 9th April 1925 onboard the SS Mandala, from India.

LG, 27th November 1928 – Major W M Hore to be Lt Col, 28th November 1928.

LG, 29th November 1932 – Lt Col W M Hore (Welsh Regt), on completion of his period of service in command is placed on the hp list, 28th November 1932.

LG, 30th May 1933 – Lt Col W M Hore (Welsh Regiment), ret. pay to be Lt Col, 28th May 1933, with seniority 27th September 1928.

Walter Mark Hore died 28th November 1942. His probate record states “of Treffgarne Hall, Treffgarne, Pembrokeshire. Probate Llandudno, 2nd April, to Lucy Mabel Hore, widow.