Kriegsmarine Visor Cap insignia

[CBH]

Great thread , with more elaborate explanations then the later posting . Bump

[Velasco]

I found this interesting thread and I would like to know if was possible find KM OFF blue/white fixed visors where eagle and wreath matching in celleon and peak embroidery on bullion...any pics is possible to light me and about the pic I attatched may be here wreath is bullion and peak embroidery is celleon????



Thanks for light me

Fernando

[stonemint]

Fernando, any mix of insignia is possible--I have seen it all. Cello visors with bullion insignia are more often seen than Bullion visors with Cello insignia, but they both occurred.

[ErWeSa]

Is that what are you are looking for?

https://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attac...lding-1060.jpg
(post # 19 of this thread: KM Blue Visor for Review)

[Velasco]

Yes something like that... Peak embroidery is bullion, wreath is Celleon and but I wonder whether the eagle is Celleon too or bullion???

Very kind from you
Fernando

[Velasco]

Stonemint or others:what have we here???
Insignias are for sure in bullion but what about the oakleaves...Celleon or bullion???


Thanks in advance
Fernando

[ErWeSa]

I mentioned the thread where this cap is to be found above (post # 19 of this thread: KM Blue Visor for Review).

Strictly speaking bullion embroidery is the one where a very thin wire tube is sewn to fabric with a thread passing through this tube. The other method of embroidering was to use a "solid" thread around which a flat iron is wound. The replacement of this was the cellon embroidery whithout any metal.

Here is an example for both in one (the wreath is cellon, the cockade partly bullion):



For further information see here:

Goldwork (embroidery) - Wikipedia

[stonemint]

Stonemint or others:what have we here???
Insignias are for sure in bullion but what about the oakleaves...Celleon or bullion???


Thanks in advance
Fernando

The eagle & wreath are coil-wire bullion.
The oakleaves on the visor are also bullion, but of a different type (it is flatwire bullion wrapped around a thread--army Officer collar tabs are the most common example of that type of embroidery).

[Velasco]

ERWESA thanks for the great explanation, I would like to know about visor pic posted in post 19 from thread what material was the eagle made... Bullion or Celleon???
Thanks again
Fernando

[ErWeSa]

The upper part of the eagle is bullion, the lower (wreath + swastica) is cellon.



Compare: