Two "new" overseas caps to my collection - one German, and one ???

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Hi,

I have just bought these two overseas caps.
The man I got these from have had them both in 45 years - I know him well.

What do you think of them?
And does anyone have an idea to where the black one comes from?

What is the correct price for these?

Regards
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[lebus12]

I think the red is French. Not sure, it's old.

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sorry, the black one

[Fred Green]

Hello,

Could you take a clear flat shot of the insignia on the Heer officer? It looks like an embroidered roundle but flatwire eagle. I am not a hat expert by any means but I like the look of it so far. I would love to see some shots of the grommets too.

The Black overseas hat looks to be Belgian to me. See how much I know?!?

Fred

[Datrus]

Top looks to be a M38 Signal Officers mütze. The bottom one i have not much idea about. I looks like a Imperial Russian insignia. I have seen some much like that one on Imperial belt buckles.

Regards, Lars

[Datrus]

Hello,

Could you take a clear flat shot of the insignia on the Heer officer? It looks like an embroidered roundle but flatwire eagle. I am not a hat expert by any means but I like the look of it so far. I would love to see some shots of the grommets too.

The Black overseas hat looks to be Belgian to me. See how much I know?!?

Fred

Especially the inside of the grommets/vents

Regards, Lars

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Here is more pictures - grommets and eagle.

What can you tell from them?
And what about the eagle?
...the head of the eagle is present - bent towards back of the eagle.

Regards
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[Fred Green]

Hello replace,

I like the looks of the grommets both from the inside and the outside. I like the officer piping, base material of the hat and the lining. I cannot tell about the eagle. It is very worn. Is it machine applied? Can we get a picture of all of the insignia? Maybe just the roundle and then all together. I would also like to see where the Soutouche goes into the hat from the inside of the fold. I am not a hat guy but I like what I see so far!!

Fred

[S.Vestae]

Very nice caps ! original

[spandau]

Hi

Nice 1938 pattern officers cap. Original as already stated.

Second cap is artillery other ranks cap for either belgian or French army (i think)

cheers

Tony

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Hi,

Again - here is more pictures:-)

Pictures of insignia and soutouche.

Bought both as original - very fair price!

Has been told that the black one could be "legion etrangere"?
...but again, also Belgian gendarmerie.

Regards
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