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05-30-2013 09:32 PM
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Re: Gebirgsjäger Museum - Erkennungsmarken
Very nice Alec- and this example illustrates beautifully how virtually every Kompanie in the Wehrmacht had its own, unique Erkennungsmarken; note how these are both GJE Btl 99, but they're very different-looking- one is the Stammkompanie, and one is the 5. Kompanie. So for a collector, seeing two discs from different units with the exact same text is a major red flag; even the same text from two different Kompanien can be a problem- although there are occasions where the Bataillon (or whatever main unit) would have the same text for all its subunits. Much of the time though, they're different.
This case may also illustrate something else- note the Stammrollennummern are very far apart; 295 for the 5. Kompanie disc and 1895 for the Stammkompanie one. That suggests a significant difference in issue date- possibly meaning the unit changed its marking scheme somewhere between the two- from using individual stamps to one dedicated main stamp ('G. J. E. Btl. 99) and then just individually adding the variable portions: the Kompanie and the Stammrollennummer.
Ohhhhh- pillage then burn...
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Re: Gebirgsjäger Museum - Erkennungsmarken
Hello Matt,
Reading your post and thinking about these high Stammrollennummern, it occurred to me as a old-time Heer Wehrpass collector, perhaps one reason the units had such high numbers - they were training units. Looking through various army wehrpasses - it would seem the men got called-up, go to basic training, where they got a wehrpass and were given a dog-tag number usually relating to their first unit (probably a training unit) mostly in wehrpasses the stay in the first unit is short -a few months then they move on to another company in the regiment or a completely different regiment in their training branch, but their dog-tag number stays the same and with them. Could it be a possible explanation ?
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Re: Gebirgsjäger Museum - Erkennungsmarken
I'm not sure I understand Alec- I didn't say the numbers were particularly high, just that there's probably a time difference between their issue dates; although the Stammkompanie wasn't a physical place a man was stationed, but just a place where a roll was kept so they could well have gotten many more men on their roll during a given time period than one of the numbered Kompanien. It's certainly the case that men didn't necessarily stay long in their very first training unit- there'd be induction training, then perhaps specilaized training, etc. but even if we take a Kompanie to be 150 men, for example, and the period at this first unit to be 2 months, the difference between Nr. 295 and Nr. 1895 could be as much as two years. It's even longer if the training period is more than 2 months or the number of men is smaller.
Ohhhhh- pillage then burn...
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Re: Gebirgsjäger Museum - Erkennungsmarken
Matt,
Perhaps I didn't expressed myself too clearly, I was musing about dog tags with high numbers in general and how they got them so high and how seemly soldiers were given the numbers on joining the training units. Not really directly commenting on the two tags at the thread start - hope that clears things. What you write about training units, numbers of soldiers processed and time needed, makes sense - no single training unit could have reached the high numbers on some of the dog-tags. Can only think, maybe training units were allocated blocks of numbers i.e. 5000 - 7500 which they gave out as the soldiers passed though. Only a guess. Cheers
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Re: Gebirgsjäger Museum - Erkennungsmarken
Ah, okay. The allocation of blocks of numbers only makes sense if there's a central roll, and most of the time it seems each Kompanie had one, so there'd be no need. In some cases it seems units made a LOT of extra discs- that accounts for some large numbers; in other cases it may well be that they either didn't have anyone actually stationed there but they simply kept a roll- like a Stammkompanie- or that the time men spent there was shorter and shorter, meaning more and more could come through.
Ohhhhh- pillage then burn...
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