SS Erkennungsmarken

**Jerry B** · 11-09-2011, 06:12 PM

by Paul E

Guys i couldn't find it on Waf !! Can someone post a link ?

Its the top one on the forum, as it has seen some renewed activity.

SS ID tag (EKM) "Hohenstaufen" - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums

Regards,

Jerry

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**Paul D** · 11-09-2011, 06:39 PM

Thanks Jerry for some reason when i checked the section this morning i must have missed it !!

**Jerry B** · 11-09-2011, 06:51 PM

by Paul E

Thanks Jerry for some reason when i checked the section this morning i must have missed it !!

It was a couple of pages back before I bumped it with a question earlier today. That seems to have stimulated some more debate about it!

Regards,

Jerry

**don_kihotis7** · 11-09-2011, 08:31 PM

Yeah it's gone wild now

Very interesting thread. A guy posted a photo of a Soldbuch showing that the word Hohenstaufen was stamped on ERKs
Shall i get his permission to post the photo?

**Matt L** · 11-10-2011, 06:04 AM

It's interesting but as was said in that thread, it's not the proof that we'd need; that's one of the solder's field units, and clearly his Erkennungsmarke was different; only an SS-Soldbuch that had the Hohenstaufen on the first page in the Erkennungsmarke line would be real evidence one way or another.

And it's not so great a discussion because nobody's said anything really useful in regards to the whole point of the thread- but that's hardly surprising; pretty much the only evidence would be pretty rare and extremly lucky to find. And at least one of the fellows posting a lot doesn't know as much as he is trying to look like he does- he says that blood group letters are rare on SS discs because most soldiers had the tattoo; that's backwards- far more men didn't have the tattoo and NO blood group letter is the uncommon type. I know this from empirical observation, having seen quite a few original SS discs, and virtually all have had blood group letters other than those known to be unsissued stock.

The one interesting thing that was suggested in the thread is that perhaps the reason the "Gren" is all but missing is that the stamp was altered when the unit ceased to be an SS-Panzergrenadier Division and became an SS-Panzer Divison- I'm kicking myself for not thinking of that most obvious explanation too. To my mind, that makes this seem even less-likely to be a fake...

**don_kihotis7** · 11-10-2011, 02:11 PM

by Matt L

only an SS-Soldbuch that had the Hohenstaufen on the first page in the Erkennungsmarke line would be real evidence one way or another

Aha so this is what confused me. SO we need a Soldbuch with Hohenstaufen entry on page 1 not page 4 like that guy posted.

**don_kihotis7** · 11-10-2011, 02:13 PM

by Matt L

The one interesting thing that was suggested in the thread is that perhaps the reason the "Gren" is all but missing is that the stamp was altered when the unit ceased to be an SS-Panzergrenadier Division and became an SS-Panzer Divison- I'm kicking myself for not thinking of that most obvious explanation too. To my mind, that makes this seem even less-likely to be a fake...

Matt how would that be possible? There are no signs of alteration like scratching etc. How could anyone remove the word GREN from the disc without leaving traces?

**don_kihotis7** · 11-10-2011, 02:14 PM

That word seems to be a mis struck

**Jerry B** · 11-10-2011, 02:16 PM

by don_kihotis7

Matt how would that be possible? There are no signs of alteration like scratching etc. How could anyone remove the word GREN from the disc without leaving traces?

The idea is that the word Gren has been removed from the stamp, assuming it is a one piece unit stamp.

Regards,

Jerry