Fake Order Patriotic War first class ?

**guscanoesp** · 03-17-2009, 11:47 PM

Gentlemen,

This order is on a spanish auction site. I am 99% sure it is not legit, but I would like your opinion just to confirm it , as I want to answer the seller which offered it to me after I asked him a question about another soviet item.

For me, the giveaway is that the order itself looks as a cast copy, with a "dirty" mintmark and the numbers are engraved in a weird way, not with the usual system.

Thanks in advance and regards,

Gus

**Espenlaub Militaria** · 03-17-2009 11:47 PM

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**Rob truscott** · 03-18-2009, 01:12 AM

Hi Gus , Its an original 1985 re issue . These were awarded to Veterans en masse then . The hammer and sickle isnt a seperate part in gold as on wartime examples.
regards ,Rob

**Pierre N** · 03-18-2009, 03:24 AM

i agree with Rob ! original 1985 ! what is the price in the auction?

**medals1966** · 03-18-2009, 03:31 AM

hi my friend rob is right the 1985 1st class i believe was awarded to all men who had been awarded the 2nd class in the war it is a solid silver cast and the hammer and sickle is gold also the mint mark was a raised version on all 1985 issues the 2nd class was awarded to all surviving vetrans who had not been awarded either of the two during the war they sell for about £25 to £35 regards duncan

**RedArmyCollector** · 03-18-2009, 03:37 AM

This looks legit for a 1985 issue. Although I haven't seen the numbers that dark before.

**guscanoesp** · 03-19-2009, 12:21 AM

by Pierre N

i agree with Rob ! original 1985 ! what is the price in the auction?

They are selling it for a starting price of 39.98 euros.

Orden medalla sovietica Guerra Patria II segunda guerra en venta en eBay.es (finaliza el 21-mar-09 21:30:00 H.Esp)

I always thought that 1985 issued orders had much higher numbers, not such a low one like in this case.

Regards,

Gus

**Pierre N** · 03-19-2009, 12:40 AM

is not a first class , $53,92 us dollard for a 2th class , for me , is too high

**Adrian Stevenson** · 03-19-2009, 08:38 AM

Hi Pierre, the one shown is a 1st class award.

Hi Gus, have a look at this site:

Odysseus © -- Soviet Screwback Orders

It will tell you all you need to know about these awards, serial numbers etc.

Cheers, Ade.

**Dimas** · 03-19-2009, 08:48 AM

The number darkened due of the order itself is silver, coated with gold ( war time example is gold), after the number engraved, the gold gold coating is lost in that place, and it's normal for silver if it's became darker