German Magazine + pistol rounds

[Panzer 3]

Hi,
my pickups for today are one German magazine and a box of Nato 9mm rounds,
the mag is marked Waffen stamp with a 4 under it, then BS10 waffen stamp with 4 under it, and dated 1938. At the bottom opposite side it has KzIBb, it is 7 3/4" at the highest x 3,3/4"
x 3/4 " if you could Id it i would be obliged. Also i had a full box of 9mm Nato rounds 50 in the box all marked 1962, ( all Deac ) box is marked Kynock Parabellum, adapt to Parabellum and Luger. sorry about the blurry pics.
Dave.

[zwerge]

It`s an MG13 magazine....Pete.

[Panzer 3]

Hi Pete, thanks mate that was quick i thought i might have to wait for that one lol, it was a good pickup but i didnt know what it belong to.
Dave.

[TonyE]

Pete beat me to it on the MG13 magazine!

Technically, your 9mm rounds are not 9mm NATO. They are commercial 9mm Parabellum rounds made by Kynoch in the 1960s. I must have shot thousands of them over the years.

The 9mm NATO is a somewhat hotter load and is identified by the NATO symbol in the headstamp to show that it conforms to the STANAG (Standardised Agreement) for that calibre.

Regards
TonyE

[Panzer 3]

Hi tony,
All the rounds have the circle and cross which are on all Nato rounds, i also have fires thousands whilst in the army. all the 7.62, 9mm, 50 call ect i have fired had this symbol for Nato.
Dave.
PS, someone was a naughty boy getting these out, ( no live rounds or empty cases in my possession sir, lol. )

[TonyE]

Hi

If your rounds have the Nato symbol on them they do not belong with that box. The headstamp of the rounds originally in that box would have been "KYNOCH 9m/mP".

What is the headstamp on your rounds? The British 9mm NATO round at that time would have been the Mark 2z and have a headstamp such as "RG 64 9MM"Z (+)". Whilst they were fine for firing in a Browning, they were death to a decent Parabellum pistol (Luger) or other early 9mm. I have seen a couple of Lugers where the toggle pin cracked due to firing Mark 2z.

Regards
TonyE

[Panzer 3]

Hi tony,
I agree with you wrong box, the rounds are marked RG 62 9mm 2z (+), i used to carry a 9mm Browning most of the time, i still have some .22 army rounds in the original box with the whitish label on as we remember the boxes were not that pretty lol. Thanks for your reply.
Dave.

[BlackCat1982]

Nothing special but an MG13 magazine marked Berlin Sühler werk, BSW and dated to 1938, as most of the ones I come across seem to be.