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**Mike Peters** · 12-13-2008, 02:32 PM

And just to add to the Thread ---Here are a few pages from the American Technical Manual (1945) regarding both models --

**Mike Peters** · 12-13-2008, 02:37 PM

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**Mike Peters** · 12-13-2008, 02:42 PM

I was also able to find a British Bouncing Betty ...you might be able to spot it behind that red nosed Jap cluster bomb.

**Pierre N** · 12-14-2008, 04:14 AM

Nice S-mine Adrian and Mike ! Mike the second modell ,its a first time i see ! Thank for the information about this !! Last pic : you have a nice ordnance display , i like the two mine ( glass and wood )!!!! Thank for showing

Pierre

**Mike Peters** · 12-14-2008, 04:22 AM

by Pierre N

Nice S-mine Adrian and Mike ! Mike the second modell ,its a first time i see ! Thank for the information about this !! Last pic : you have a nice ordnance display , i like the two mine ( glass and wood )!!!! Thank for showing

Pierre

Thanks Pierre ..I'm glad you like the model44 .
If there anything you want to see a close up of in the case ..just ask

**Adrian Stevenson** · 12-14-2008, 12:03 PM

Hi Mike, I would like to see the British one, as I am not familiar with this one. Thanks!

Cheers, Ade.

**Mike Peters** · 12-14-2008, 03:32 PM

Glad to do it Ade
Besides ..it will make a nice comparison for the Thread.
Here's my Ref source --

**Mike Peters** · 12-14-2008, 03:43 PM

Here's my MARK II ---

**AbbyWhite** · 12-14-2008, 05:10 PM

by Mike Peters

Great Model 35 Pierre !!
I have a M35 like yours and was also able to find a Model 44 which is harder to find since they made less of them.
Most of the examples in collections today are "Water Recoveries" (including the ones you and I own) . There were cases and cases of S Mines and most other TR Ordnance removed from Lakes and Rivers ...much of the recovered items appeared on the market in the late '80s and 1990's. You can always tell the Water Recovered examples because of the way the Paint is after sitting underwater for so many years. Since most were still packed up in crates , they survived in decent condition.

I had a good friend who was a German EOD Tech ..he did well until new Laws were passed making it harder for them to "save" these relics.
He told me that after they "tightened up" the laws , many divers would go into the Lakes at night and search for these items...sometimes without a high powered light so they wouldn't attract attention.
(just imagine being underwater and trying to ID an item by "feel"

)
Up until they started doing water recovery , S Mines were very very hard to find. For one thing "Bouncing Betty's" were feared / respected by all Soldiers (since each Country had their own version of them) So ..unless a Soldier found crates of new ones ...no one would want to dig a live one up and de-activate it so he could bring it home as a souvenir.
Here are my 2 examples --

Hello Mike,
NICE S.Mines ! Thanks for showing !
Don't you have the S.Mi44 fuze for it : the S.Mi.Zü.44 ?
I never saw that one "live", only in books - all S.Mi44 have the S.MiZü35, my own included.

AW

**Mike Peters** · 12-14-2008, 05:41 PM

Hi Abby ...Glad you like them. Another Ord collector eh ?

It looks like Pierre smoked us all out here .
Depending on where they were used and ..what was available (of course) I’ve seen the 44’s mated with S.Mi.Z..35’s and even ZZ.42’s . Of course everyone always pictures the “stereotype” S Mine with the 3 prongs sticking out.
I believe the American version of the S Mine even had a similar Fuze config (got a shot of one somewhere)
Things might have changed by now but , I remember years ago when I first bought mine ..the general “consensus” was that for every 100 model 35’s you’d see …you’d only find one model 44.
I don’t know if they are still hard to find.
Please post a picture of your 44 ..I’d love to see it.