id this insignia, please

[stuka f]

hello all,

my guess was Italian fascist period, but could not find any proof.
Someone suggested American military police...
Any idea for this crest on a M1909 Patton sword?

[Watchdog]

Well, I can understand why someone made a US connection as I believe the Fasces symbology of strength through unity is used in the US Congress but the origin is Etruscan even before the Romans and in the 20th Century from which this sword surely comes I cannot think of anyone other than the Italian Fascists under Mussolini who used this symbol.

I think it represents the Sword of Mars with The Fasces so it might have a connection to the Freemasons who do use ceremonial swords in their rituals.

This picture is from The Old Sessions House at Clerkenwell Court in London which used to belong to the Masons.

The US MP crest does have a fasces and sword crossed with a key and the Scales of Justice but I don't believe there is any connection here because there is only the sword and fasces.



It would be useful to see the whole sword and any other markings.

I hope this helps.

Regards

Mark

[Watchdog]

I had an inkling about the Spanish Guardia Civil so I dug around a little and found this;

Collecting and Shooting the Surplus Rifle - MCA adapter reviewed in a 1916 Short Rifle (Guardia Civil) Report

Well I never!

Mark

PS and this;

https://www.wkc-shop.de/media/images...Unteroff_D.gif

Note who the maker is and their maker mark

[stuka f]

Hey Mark,

thanks for your input.
I sadly only have this pic.
But someone else just found this Spanish Guarda Civil insignia showing some resemblance...

[stuka f]

Our messages crossed each other!
Must be that.

[Watchdog]

Our messages crossed each other!
Must be that.

I just added another link!

Mark

[stuka f]

Thanks Mark!